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Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Jul 30th, 2003, 05:18am

http://up.isp.2ch.net/up/3d75bdbfcb61.avi

This would beat the staff ghost with 13 secs..
Strange stuff using the Black Bull with E boost and A grip and then doing all those minislides..





Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 30th, 2003, 06:55am

really, describe it to me!!

*can't download*
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Jul 30th, 2003, 07:31am

Not much to describe really: just twisting the stick left-right contstantly like a madman to make snake-like short twisiting slides.

It looks really stupid when compared to the gracefull boostsliding on FZX and I certainly hope this is not the way you have to play to get the fastests times though I'm afraid it is


Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Oliver on Jul 30th, 2003, 08:28am

Is Black Shadow drunk ?
Strange way to make a record, but it seems to be very useful.
It isn't beautiful, for sure ! The guy which made that clip needs a A grip not to slide too much, so I think Night thunder and Blood hawk are not the best anymore.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 30th, 2003, 08:46am

We have a long way to go, maybe that's just one way of doing this
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 30th, 2003, 08:50am

I have a feeling that there are a LOT of techniques that need to be discovered in this game, so give it a few more months, maybe you'll find something that not only looks better, but works better

you never know
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Placid on Jul 30th, 2003, 09:24am

Hmmmm....

Are there more videos where this came from?

Well, there's no way an E boost helps. But perhaps the Black Bull's heavy weight is an advantage rather than a hinderance.

Have you been able to compare the sliding abilities of cars with various grip ratings in GX yet, DVM?

-Jim Mitchell
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 30th, 2003, 09:46am

man, it's a whole new world in GX, regardless of the missing techniques, we're going to log on HOURS to this game trying to discover new ones... I want to compare stuff to
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Supreme on Jul 30th, 2003, 10:29am

Looks really strange but very fast !
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Jul 30th, 2003, 12:02pm

Yes the techniques looks awful but that's really fast!
The road seems very little at 2900 kmh!!!
I saw other videos of MC (made by a french player) and i was believing F Zero was not very fast...
Now i really want to play!!!
The DTD seems useless now^^

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kitch on Jul 30th, 2003, 12:10pm

I think there is something wrong with that site at the moment, because I cant seem to get it to work and it is all in japanese anyway.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Jul 30th, 2003, 12:57pm

that s strange that you only got speed on the screen...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Placid on Jul 30th, 2003, 1:46pm

It is worth noting that all of the top-ranked AX times are dominated by E-grip cars almost without exception. If the Black Bull goes fast, could it be that we'll be racing much faster still?

-Jim Mitchell
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Jul 30th, 2003, 2:56pm

The reason you only see the speed on the screen is because it was a replay. ( After finishing you can choose to watch a replay of your run with every possible camera angle )

I tried duplicating that strat with the Night Thunder but it didn't work .. Didn't even put me anywhere near my best times yet.
Haven't unlocked the Black Bull yet though.. hope to get it soon and see what happens.

ALso hope to receive the AR soon so I can finally at least see how fast I'm going
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Jul 31st, 2003, 02:52am

ok, that's a replay^^ cool!!! Every angles? seems wonderful^^
The weight seems to be important factor here....
For the technique we should ask tonio... he said he made a 8" lap (4000 kmh)



Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Tonio on Jul 31st, 2003, 07:31am

just checked the jap board and yes the (first?) high-speed technique for GX is "dakou", wich is meandering in english (according to my dictionnary) and "serpenter" in French.
they're not very pleased with this since this is kind of ridiculous and it's not really fun to play time attack like this. faust (fzmv world champ.) has lost some motivation for TA for example.

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 31st, 2003, 07:41am

man, I wonder how they came across this? Hopefully there's a better technique... so what courses does it work on? Hopefully, not all
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kirby Sim on Jul 31st, 2003, 08:24am

I actually attempted the technique myself just a moment ago, and I realised that it's very difficult to execute. My thumb keeps sliding off the control stick. ARGH!

This technique is actually a modification of the AX drift technique. Like Tonio has mentioned, in AX, you have to turn the wheel to the left, brake, then imediately pull the left paddle and steer the wheel straight, allowing the machine to drift before shifting into airbrake mode again.

In GX, what I did was to constantly tilt the control stick left and right, all the while pressing the L and R triggers alternatively. The triggers have to respond to the control stick - when you push leftwards, hold L. I was able to obtain a max speed of a little more than 2000km/h, with max acceleration setting.

However, when I changed the controls such that both the airbrakes and the manuevring of the machine is marked onto the control stick. so it's as if the R trigger is pushed when I turned right, I couldn't get the technique to work very well. Hence I conclude that somehow you have to buffer a slide (L+R) occasionally. For myself, the slides happened due to human error.

I can't really explain what I've noticed very well, so please, pardon my inarticulation.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 31st, 2003, 08:30am

if you guys had a choice, would you like this technique to remain in the final version?
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kirby Sim on Jul 31st, 2003, 08:45am

on Jul 31st, 2003, 08:30am, Dominic wrote:
if you guys had a choice, would you like this technique to remain in the final version?


Personally, I despise it. It really spoils the fun of the game just so you can have the best speed.

It seems like this technique will work with any racer, but somehow it works with Black Bull the best. I've got up to 1700km/h with White Cat.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Jul 31st, 2003, 09:04am

good, becuase I just e-mailed them and asked them to try and remove it, or tell me if there are other techniques

alright, I know you're all like BS! BS! It's stinking up the forums! You'll get a generic reply!!!

But mind you, I was responsible for F-Zero being advertised on MTV, Comedy central and stuff... fine, then don't believe me

I'll post the reply I get from them later on...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by FluddyFlea on Jul 31st, 2003, 4:36pm

Well even if they would think its better without, the final version is already out, they dont want it to be different in different regions.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Jul 31st, 2003, 5:02pm

This officially sucks !!

I'be just tried it again and got it to work somehow with the Iron Tiger .. seems like it only works with heavy cars with A grip set at max accel..

As Kirby Sim says: all you have to is do very quick right + R , left + L -snake like drifts and you pick up tremendous speed for no apparent reason at all .. you don't even have to boost.

Just beaten the MC1 staff ghost with by setting a 58 second time but I wasn't proud of it one bit .. just didn't take ANY skill whatsoever..

What the hell were they thinking

DVM
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Jul 31st, 2003, 6:07pm

Unlocked the Black Bull and now it's not even funny anymore..

Staff Ghosts falling left and right by 10 seconds on my first try .. easy 52 secs on Mute City..

Wonder if this was intended or an unfixed bug ?


Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by SimonC on Aug 1st, 2003, 12:56am

Does anyone have a mirror of this video?
Or another movie using this "dakou" strat?

And from the sounds of it, I doubt it was intentional (I haven't seen it though, so I can't really give a proper judgment).
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by FredJust on Aug 1st, 2003, 01:54am

I hope that is removed in the PAL version

with this technique the game is not interesting
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Aug 1st, 2003, 03:54am

I won t use this technique in solo, that's for sure.
And if it get fixed in further versions dakou should be forbidden, maybe?
I hope more powerfull techniques will be found in the future.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by FluddyFlea on Aug 1st, 2003, 07:04am

I really hope its a bug they'll get rid of
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 1st, 2003, 07:38am

I'm really worried about this the more I think of it...

All of us should E-mail NOA about this, I already did, sent 3 in fact, we can't just let this thing go on through all the versions of the game

I'll never forgive Nintendo if this goes on

E-MAIL NOW!!!!

address:

nintendo@noa.nintendo.com

David (and everyone else that has the Japanese version) are there any other issues that have occured that may seem to make the game cheap? I can't imagine anything as bad as this, but please state them immediately, but I have a feeling that this is the only thing that is hindering F-Zero GX from being a great game so far


Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Tonio on Aug 1st, 2003, 09:52am

I'm quite confused by all I hear here and there.
(right now from sugi: "wall-drift" (I guess it's what people call boost sliding here though it's not a slide turn but a drift turn ) still exist in X)

I don't really have time to play anymore (friends have come to visit Kyoto)... and not really motivated for it.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Aug 1st, 2003, 12:30pm

A racing game where you have to drive like a snake to get good times, you must be joking.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Supreme on Aug 1st, 2003, 6:55pm

Come on guys ! This is a fair elite and you're all fair players, right?
So let the competition start WITHOUT this snake-technique(=Cheats) ! Only 'normal' driving with boosts etc. like the staff ghosts. Just a though,...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Aug 1st, 2003, 7:25pm

Quote:
Come on guys ! This is a fair elite and you're all fair players, right?
So let the competition start WITHOUT this snake-technique(=Cheats) ! Only 'normal' driving with boosts etc. like the staff ghosts. Just a though,...


Yeah, that's what I'll do from now on till the US version is released and we can compare the two and see if this 'bug' is still there.. I'll have that MC time scratched and start over : beating the Phantom Road staff the hard way was 100000 times more rewarding than this wiggling crap.



On a good note: received my Action Replay and now the game works 100% perfectly as intended. Good to finally see my laps and speeds



Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 1st, 2003, 8:39pm

Yeah!!! Screw DAKOU!

Cool, so how is the game now that you can see stuff?
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Nick on Aug 2nd, 2003, 04:34am

That video link doesnt work anymore. Anyone found an alternative video please? Also, you say you're just not going to use this technique, but wouldnt you accidently employ it while in a sliding setting and sliding rapidly between some corners, ie the sudden change in sliding direction would kick in a small speed boost? I hope this "bug" is removed from the PAL version
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:19am

you can go on my website, i put the clip on my FTP

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fzerogx/3d75bdbfcb61.avi

Maybe we should vote, "Do you want this dakou trick to be granted or not for time attack on F Zero central if not removed" What s the webmaster's opinion?

It seems that most of us consider like a cheat that kills the game.
Even if i heard some people say DTD was cheat , you couldn t perform it all the race!
That's what made a race so exciting, failing at only one DTD could kill your race time^^

What's your opinion about







Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:26am

Those dive moves in X were intelligent because they involved a risk, Dakou involves NO RISK AT ALL, I don't see how this is not a cheat

man, gotta keep E-mailing NOA...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Supreme on Aug 2nd, 2003, 08:24am

on Aug 2nd, 2003, 04:34am, Nick wrote:
Also, you say you're just not going to use this technique, but wouldnt you accidently employ it while in a sliding setting and sliding rapidly between some corners, ie the sudden change in sliding direction would kick in a small speed boost?


Hm, that's right. So maybe sliding should banned at all!? I don't know if sliding(L+left ; R+right) is really neccessary for some tracks or maybe other cornering-techniques are better? (because I am not an FZX or FZGX player )
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 2nd, 2003, 08:33am

actually, it can't be accidentally done since your racer would need to be heavy, have an A-grip and be set to max-acceleration (which in truth is rarely done I believe)

but the thing is, it's there... ok, let me post my stuff from IGN, best post of mine ever:

"But when it comes down to it, this bug is not just a bug, it is A FLAW, I really want to play GX without having to think of this imperfection

The game is suppose to BE HARD, the player should not have any access (aside from the difficulty settings) to make the game easy, nay, simple to a point where a 5 year old could probably beat a staff ghost If taught how to do this"

See, there's no denying that

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Aug 2nd, 2003, 09:57am

It sounds to me like this technique is a definite bug/glitch in the game, especially if people are already beating the staff ghosts by over 20 seconds or so.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Will Haven on Aug 2nd, 2003, 11:58am

Well Peer from IGN is saying that he agrees and is going to see if he can sort it out with some chats to Ninty/Sega. I personally see it as a gameplay bug. Like someone said, DTD, railboostsliding and all the other highly advanced FZero X techniques were useful individually in special instances.....all coming together to form a perfect lap and great satisfaction. It was all a delicate balance, great skill and context specific....this snake method is the total opposite.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by ErwanSciaud on Aug 2nd, 2003, 12:19pm

In F Zero X, even if you know the most powerfull techniques and perform it well, that doesn t mean you can easily beat a record. You have to work hard then.

With dakou, what will time attack become?
As soon as you know the trick, you just have to sneak as much as possible!
What becomes the race strategy?

Let's everybody snake! And you ll have hundred of players with the same times...

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Will Haven on Aug 2nd, 2003, 1:01pm

I'm very happy that FZero GX DOESN'T employ the same techniques as FZero X, it is far more entertaining discovering new techniques and having to play differently for the new titles (like from the SNES to N64). It would be dull to simply play FZero GX like FZero X. However, this snake technique is clearly a major problem that destroys a lot of the fun and subtlety...not to mention difficultly. So I really hope they sort this out for the PAL version
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by DavePhaneuf on Aug 2nd, 2003, 2:13pm

Just a thought, but if the technique is corrected in the Pal version. Wont NTSC players have an Big advantage over the Pal players?

This may cause the GX competition to only have the Seperate Pal and NTSC sections and not overall.

I'm sure alot of people (Like myself) would like to be able to compare times with both Pal and NTSC players like in F-Zero X and SNES.

So if you ask me, I'll be happy if both games are identecal. Meaning both would other Have the Flaw or not have the flaw.

If the games leaves the technique in there I'll play with it first then without until I've beaten all staff ghosts both ways. ^^
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by FluddyFlea on Aug 2nd, 2003, 4:00pm

I really hope we US/CAN and PAL users wont have to play with this shit. The japanese are already cursed though
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Will Haven on Aug 2nd, 2003, 4:01pm

i dont care, I'd rather the PAL version was corrected. The NTSC and PAL Fzero X comparisons werent perfect anyway I believe. European gamers always get the faster records anyway so I'm happy to only race against PAL gamers. Anyway, hopefully the US version will be fixed. Some IGN members rang Nintendo and gave detailed descriptions, video links, IGN forum links etc to the technique and the annoyance it has caused. They have apparently sent a high priority memo to the higher ranks of Nintendo and the IGN editors said they would also contact them. So hopefully they might be able to fix something if they actually care!
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Tonio on Aug 2nd, 2003, 8:05pm

PAL/european players are not the best. think before you write sthg please.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by FluddyFlea on Aug 3rd, 2003, 03:04am

He maybe meant that they seem to have an advantage, not that they're neccesarily the BEST. Anyway to me, the conversion seems to be spot-on.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kirby Sim on Aug 3rd, 2003, 05:45am

on Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:26am, Dominic wrote:
Those dive moves in X were intelligent because they involved a risk, Dakou involves NO RISK AT ALL, I don't see how this is not a cheat

man, gotta keep E-mailing NOA...


Woah, dudees! Calm down!

It seems like there are quite a number of you harping that Dakou is a cheating technique, since it's so easy to perform, etc, etc. I find this kinda ridiculous, especially when half of you haven't even played the game.

This technique is WITH ITS RISKS. You just show me how to Dakou in turns, and still maintain a 2000KM/H speed. I personally have trouble doing that in the first Mute City course. Because of the snake movements, your handling is affected, and it gets difficult to judge how much turning you need in order to maneuvre past a turn, which may result in a crash lowering your speed back to 400km/h and requiring you to build up your speed again. This risk becomes more apparent as you gain more speed.

Have you ever wondered why a number of us can't reach the 2900KM/H speed that Japanese player could? His record was 46 seconds. Mine is 62, using Dakou.

As I've said before, it's possible to use Dakou with any vehicle, but it works best with Black Bull. In Story Mode Mission 8, I used Dakou (with Blue Falcon) at the beginning of the course, leaving Dark Schneider to eat my dust. My lead was held for 15 seconds or so before Dark Schneider caught up. The turns in the course eventually got the better of me. Usually, with a max accel setting, Dark Schneider would catch up within 3 seconds.

I really want to see someone using Dakou for the whole duration of Mission 8, not getting knocked out of course by the turns and mines, and keeping a solid lead from Dark Schneider.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Will Haven on Aug 3rd, 2003, 06:49am

on Aug 2nd, 2003, 8:05pm, Tonio wrote:
PAL/european players are not the best. think before you write sthg please.


Easy, dont take it so seriously , I was just joking around hence the " " smilie. I cant believe you took it seriously and even worse, got all angry about it
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by David Van Moer on Aug 3rd, 2003, 08:33am

Quote:
This technique is WITH ITS RISKS

yeah, the risk of complete disillusionment.

I've read some comments about people actually defending this stuff saying it's pretty dificult to do and should be treated as a legite strat.
I don't know if they have actually played a previous F-Zero game before and tried some REALLY hard strats. This snaking stuff is ridicoulously easy compared with DTD-ing on FZX or drifting with JV on MV.
I could completely destroy the staff ghost on half the tracks if I wanted to without being challenged at all.

Same on master GP: the first two cups are a walk-over. All you need to look out for is to not launch yourself of the track.

BTW, I'm already up to 61 secs on Mute City without snaking and on 3 other tracks I'm within inches of the Staff Ghost by just racing good and without using this abomination. That's how I'll continue to play to game.


Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:13am

words of a true F-Zero Player man

all right, the concept of actually having this snake move work has inserted itself in my head, let me explain:

First of all, I guess in some ways it does make sense, and as the grip tightens, the technique works better, in the same sense that as the grip loosens, Drifting works better (this took me 2 hours to analyse this)

BUT, Dakou is not very well balanced with drifting in terms of risk and advantage (especially advantage, hence beating the Staff ghost by 10 seconds +)

also, both of these moves are on set on Max Acceleration, so then what would be the use of having the bar anywhere near Max-Speed? I can't imagine anything that will give Max-Speed settings an advantage over Dakou, but in the event that Dakou finds its way to GX-US, I sure hope there will be, so the damn gameplay will be balanced out a lot more, I could live with this at least

Supposedly here's how it's suppose to go (assuming no X-moves are included), drifters have the advantage on turns, but Max-Speed-ers have the advantage on the staight parts of the course, but now, the advantages are now both on the side of Max-Accel settings...

I have lost myself typing this, so if anyone has similiar thoughts, please post... also try to explain what I have posted since I really don't understand it either

I sound like ass
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kirby Sim on Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:17pm

on Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:13am, Dominic wrote:
words of a true F-Zero Player man

all right, the concept of actually having this snake move work has inserted itself in my head, let me explain:

First of all, I guess in some ways it does make sense, and as the grip tightens, the technique works better, in the same sense that as the grip loosens, Drifting works better (this took me 2 hours to analyse this)

BUT, Dakou is not very well balanced with drifting in terms of risk and advantage (especially advantage, hence beating the Staff ghost by 10 seconds +)

also, both of these moves are on set on Max Acceleration, so then what would be the use of having the bar anywhere near Max-Speed? I can't imagine anything that will give Max-Speed settings an advantage over Dakou, but in the event that Dakou finds its way to GX-US, I sure hope there will be, so the damn gameplay will be balanced out a lot more, I could live with this at least

Supposedly here's how it's suppose to go (assuming no X-moves are included), drifters have the advantage on turns, but Max-Speed-ers have the advantage on the staight parts of the course, but now, the advantages are now both on the side of Max-Accel settings...

I have lost myself typing this, so if anyone has similiar thoughts, please post... also try to explain what I have posted since I really don't understand it either

I sound like ass


You're right. It makes no sense to choose Max Speed that way.

Just in case anyone else don't understand, a Max Speed setting would cause you to lose some speed when drifting, sliding, or basically turning. This loss of speed is very much reduced in a Max Accel setting.

Your turns are sharper on a Max Accel setting, but it's easier to lose control/drift unnecesssarily when turning on Max Accel, too.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kirby on Aug 4th, 2003, 02:36am

on Aug 3rd, 2003, 05:45am, Kirby Sim wrote:
Woah, dudees! Calm down!

It seems like there are quite a number of you harping that Dakou is a cheating technique, since it's so easy to perform, etc, etc. I find this kinda ridiculous, especially when half of you haven't even played the game.

This technique is WITH ITS RISKS. You just show me how to Dakou in turns, and still maintain a 2000KM/H speed. I personally have trouble doing that in the first Mute City course. Because of the snake movements, your handling is affected, and it gets difficult to judge how much turning you need in order to maneuvre past a turn, which may result in a crash lowering your speed back to 400km/h and requiring you to build up your speed again. This risk becomes more apparent as you gain more speed.



I can show u how to turn while 'snaking'.. (but I'll have to kill u!)

Just thought I'll share my 2 cents.

On a straight, Snake is a killer...on twisty corner...we all know overspeeding kills.

I think it's too early to call it 'game breaking' for the time being.

(I might be opening a can of worms here..so uhmm guys, don't lose ur temper yet)

Supposedly, IF snake was used by staff ghosts.

Would it still be game breaking to many of you?

When I first saw the vid, my first reaction wasn't abt getting the fastest time in TA..or the staff ghosts.

My immediate reaction was, 'how do I beat someone if they use this technique?'

Granted...on certain tracks...aka mute, I cannot.

Despite the speed boost, U still have to get the best line for the track in order to win.

It's not like Snake allows the guy to speed its way around the track...no need to worry abt overspeeding n crashing like a ping pong ball.

For those of you that haven't got the game yet.
Please, make ur decision until u buy the game and try it out for urself.

At this stage, it is way to early to scream murder.

Snake or not, it's still quite a fun game.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 4th, 2003, 08:32am

snaking or not, this game is going to be one of the best games ever
Dakou
Post by Justin Bailey on Aug 6th, 2003, 05:26am

Here's a reply I got from Nintendo of America (sorry if it's old news..):

"Hello,

Thanks for the great feedback! We can tell that you're definitely an F-Zero GX
enthusiast. Believe it or not, the "snake technique" (as it's being referred
to) was an intentional trick added by the programmers. While you may not
believe us now, when you get your hands on this incredible title, you'll wish
we'd put in more tricks like it. Unfortunately, since we don't provide game
tips via email, and since the game hasn't even been released yet, we don't want
to give away any secrets. From all the buzz the game is generating both online
and in print, though, we're pretty sure you won't be disappointed.

Thanks again for sharing your comments with us.

Sincerely,

Nintendo of America Inc.
Greg Hamilton"






I just hope it won't be against the beautiful nature of the series, some of the videos and early comments are worrying..
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Will Haven on Aug 6th, 2003, 08:05am

they are sending out that stock email, I reckon they are lying. AV arent idiots and they wouldnt have included such a dull technique in the game that destroys it's balance and that staff ghosts dont even use....given it's easy of use too.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 6th, 2003, 09:39am

crap, my anger about this thing is rising again, there had better be a technique for Max Speed that will rival or even out do this Dakou thing, because at least this way, I have a purpose for using Max-Speed settings against a "snaker"

But my opinion about it's simplicity is kinda changing, new comers to the series won't understand this at all, and if they do, they wouldn't know how to handle courses with a moderate amount of turns

but still, I wish they would make so that it doesn't give too much of a boost, it makes you go really fast without even boosting!

Bah, regardless, I'll learn to live with it and enjoy the game...

a good thing though is if they revise the staff ghost and the master AI to use the technique, I guess that could work also

I'm confused....
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Kitch on Aug 6th, 2003, 1:20pm

I reckon its a stock e-mail too. I dont reckon they could have know about something like this. It does destroy the whole balance as the skill of f-zero is knowing when to hit the boost button and making sure you hit all of the speed boosts on the track, along with positioning and other stuff.

Even if there are other techniques, I dont think any of them will get you upto 2900km/h. Whether there are downsides to the snake technique on tight courses, there are still going to be opportunities to use it a few times per lap. Once people get good at it, they will be able to perform it in between each corner and gain that little bit extra speed. Even for the time trial, if I almost kill myself using a 'legitimate' technique to get my best time possible, all someone has to do is do exactly the same as me, but perform just one snake slide thingy and they will get an extra speed boost and beat my time by hundreths of a second, it would still be a better time.

I'm kind of rambling now, but I was really looking forward to pitting myself against you guys with the time trial stuff, but it looks like its back to improving the MV times that I have.

Overall, I will still love this game and will play it to death, but where most racing games come into their own after you have done everything else with time trial, this one will just go on the shelf.

Fingers crossed for the NTSC version.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Justin Bailey on Aug 6th, 2003, 1:35pm

on Aug 6th, 2003, 08:05am, Will Haven wrote:
they are sending out that stock email, I reckon they are lying. AV arent idiots and they wouldnt have included such a dull technique in the game that destroys it's balance and that staff ghosts dont even use....given it's easy of use too.


I too think they're lying, AV, and mainly Nagoshi-san, must be extremely annoyed because of this. Wonder how Nintendo will react..? Anyways, I try to keep an open mind until the game is in my PAL hands.
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by JKTFZEROX on Aug 7th, 2003, 03:55am

A move that will rival or murder Dakou is none other than DTD, that is, if DTD is even possible in FZGX but i haven't seen anyone pull it off before. It's probably capable of 4000-5000 km/h whatever the top speed is for GX.

Well thats all i got to say for now, i'll try to find out something special when i actually have the game.
Took me 4 years to master FZX to a champion level.

keep up the good work DVM, i'll be there soon to challenge you but first you gotta improve like mad

later.

,JKTSPEED

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by Dominic on Aug 7th, 2003, 9:04pm

damn it! I'm not going to college (yet), so I have a year of playing the game! I'm with you man, let's all go find something
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by DavePhaneuf on Aug 7th, 2003, 11:29pm

Just out of curiosity, has anyone stumbled across this at Ign?

http://cube.ign.com/articles/432/432558p3.html
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by GreggRichardson on Aug 8th, 2003, 06:25am

So that snake tech is not a bug...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by crAsh on Aug 8th, 2003, 09:18am

That's what they're trying to make us believe...
Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by al64inthedark on Aug 8th, 2003, 10:44am


I believe they're lying.
-If they know this technique, why didn't they use it with the staff ghosts ?
-I got the game and I can tell you that you can easily do the dackou the first time, but it's very hard to play like the 46 seconds video.
So it's hard to make a real good time.

But, unfortunately it's awful, there's no style in this f-zero, totally opposite to F-zero X ( I love it forever).
F-Zero GX is born....
F-Zero GX is dead....
long live to F-zero X !!!

Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
Post by BorisXIV on Aug 21st, 2003, 08:56am

one thing...
damn, after 2 years of waiting for the game...
this damn bug show's up
.........
I think they won't remove it in all version's
after such an email