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Kirby Sim
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #48 on: Aug 3rd, 2003, 05:45am » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2003, 06:26am, Dominic wrote:Those dive moves in X were intelligent because they involved a risk, Dakou involves NO RISK AT ALL, I don't see how this is not a cheat
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Woah, dudees! Calm down!
It seems like there are quite a number of you harping that Dakou is a cheating technique, since it's so easy to perform, etc, etc. I find this kinda ridiculous, especially when half of you haven't even played the game.
This technique is WITH ITS RISKS. You just show me how to Dakou in turns, and still maintain a 2000KM/H speed. I personally have trouble doing that in the first Mute City course. Because of the snake movements, your handling is affected, and it gets difficult to judge how much turning you need in order to maneuvre past a turn, which may result in a crash lowering your speed back to 400km/h and requiring you to build up your speed again. This risk becomes more apparent as you gain more speed.
Have you ever wondered why a number of us can't reach the 2900KM/H speed that Japanese player could? His record was 46 seconds. Mine is 62, using Dakou.
As I've said before, it's possible to use Dakou with any vehicle, but it works best with Black Bull. In Story Mode Mission 8, I used Dakou (with Blue Falcon) at the beginning of the course, leaving Dark Schneider to eat my dust. My lead was held for 15 seconds or so before Dark Schneider caught up. The turns in the course eventually got the better of me. Usually, with a max accel setting, Dark Schneider would catch up within 3 seconds.
I really want to see someone using Dakou for the whole duration of Mission 8, not getting knocked out of course by the turns and mines, and keeping a solid lead from Dark Schneider.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #49 on: Aug 3rd, 2003, 06:49am » |
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on Aug 2nd, 2003, 8:05pm, Tonio wrote:PAL/european players are not the best. think before you write sthg please. |
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Easy, dont take it so seriously , I was just joking around hence the " " smilie. I cant believe you took it seriously and even worse, got all angry about it
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #50 on: Aug 3rd, 2003, 08:33am » |
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Quote:This technique is WITH ITS RISKS |
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yeah, the risk of complete disillusionment.
I've read some comments about people actually defending this stuff saying it's pretty dificult to do and should be treated as a legite strat. I don't know if they have actually played a previous F-Zero game before and tried some REALLY hard strats. This snaking stuff is ridicoulously easy compared with DTD-ing on FZX or drifting with JV on MV. I could completely destroy the staff ghost on half the tracks if I wanted to without being challenged at all.
Same on master GP: the first two cups are a walk-over. All you need to look out for is to not launch yourself of the track.
BTW, I'm already up to 61 secs on Mute City without snaking and on 3 other tracks I'm within inches of the Staff Ghost by just racing good and without using this abomination. That's how I'll continue to play to game.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #51 on: Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:13am » |
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words of a true F-Zero Player man 
all right, the concept of actually having this snake move work has inserted itself in my head, let me explain:
First of all, I guess in some ways it does make sense, and as the grip tightens, the technique works better, in the same sense that as the grip loosens, Drifting works better (this took me 2 hours to analyse this)
BUT, Dakou is not very well balanced with drifting in terms of risk and advantage (especially advantage, hence beating the Staff ghost by 10 seconds +)
also, both of these moves are on set on Max Acceleration, so then what would be the use of having the bar anywhere near Max-Speed? I can't imagine anything that will give Max-Speed settings an advantage over Dakou, but in the event that Dakou finds its way to GX-US, I sure hope there will be, so the damn gameplay will be balanced out a lot more, I could live with this at least
Supposedly here's how it's suppose to go (assuming no X-moves are included), drifters have the advantage on turns, but Max-Speed-ers have the advantage on the staight parts of the course, but now, the advantages are now both on the side of Max-Accel settings...
I have lost myself typing this, so if anyone has similiar thoughts, please post... also try to explain what I have posted since I really don't understand it either 
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #52 on: Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:17pm » |
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on Aug 3rd, 2003, 10:13am, Dominic wrote:words of a true F-Zero Player man 
all right, the concept of actually having this snake move work has inserted itself in my head, let me explain:
First of all, I guess in some ways it does make sense, and as the grip tightens, the technique works better, in the same sense that as the grip loosens, Drifting works better (this took me 2 hours to analyse this)
BUT, Dakou is not very well balanced with drifting in terms of risk and advantage (especially advantage, hence beating the Staff ghost by 10 seconds +)
also, both of these moves are on set on Max Acceleration, so then what would be the use of having the bar anywhere near Max-Speed? I can't imagine anything that will give Max-Speed settings an advantage over Dakou, but in the event that Dakou finds its way to GX-US, I sure hope there will be, so the damn gameplay will be balanced out a lot more, I could live with this at least
Supposedly here's how it's suppose to go (assuming no X-moves are included), drifters have the advantage on turns, but Max-Speed-ers have the advantage on the staight parts of the course, but now, the advantages are now both on the side of Max-Accel settings...
I have lost myself typing this, so if anyone has similiar thoughts, please post... also try to explain what I have posted since I really don't understand it either 
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You're right. It makes no sense to choose Max Speed that way.
Just in case anyone else don't understand, a Max Speed setting would cause you to lose some speed when drifting, sliding, or basically turning. This loss of speed is very much reduced in a Max Accel setting.
Your turns are sharper on a Max Accel setting, but it's easier to lose control/drift unnecesssarily when turning on Max Accel, too.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #53 on: Aug 4th, 2003, 02:36am » |
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on Aug 3rd, 2003, 05:45am, Kirby Sim wrote:Woah, dudees! Calm down!
It seems like there are quite a number of you harping that Dakou is a cheating technique, since it's so easy to perform, etc, etc. I find this kinda ridiculous, especially when half of you haven't even played the game.
This technique is WITH ITS RISKS. You just show me how to Dakou in turns, and still maintain a 2000KM/H speed. I personally have trouble doing that in the first Mute City course. Because of the snake movements, your handling is affected, and it gets difficult to judge how much turning you need in order to maneuvre past a turn, which may result in a crash lowering your speed back to 400km/h and requiring you to build up your speed again. This risk becomes more apparent as you gain more speed.
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I can show u how to turn while 'snaking'.. (but I'll have to kill u!) 
Just thought I'll share my 2 cents.
On a straight, Snake is a killer...on twisty corner...we all know overspeeding kills.
I think it's too early to call it 'game breaking' for the time being.
(I might be opening a can of worms here..so uhmm guys, don't lose ur temper yet)
Supposedly, IF snake was used by staff ghosts.
Would it still be game breaking to many of you?
When I first saw the vid, my first reaction wasn't abt getting the fastest time in TA..or the staff ghosts.
My immediate reaction was, 'how do I beat someone if they use this technique?'
Granted...on certain tracks...aka mute, I cannot.
Despite the speed boost, U still have to get the best line for the track in order to win.
It's not like Snake allows the guy to speed its way around the track...no need to worry abt overspeeding n crashing like a ping pong ball.
For those of you that haven't got the game yet. Please, make ur decision until u buy the game and try it out for urself.
At this stage, it is way to early to scream murder.
Snake or not, it's still quite a fun game.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #54 on: Aug 4th, 2003, 08:32am » |
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snaking or not, this game is going to be one of the best games ever
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« Reply #55 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 05:26am » |
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Here's a reply I got from Nintendo of America (sorry if it's old news..):
"Hello,
Thanks for the great feedback! We can tell that you're definitely an F-Zero GX enthusiast. Believe it or not, the "snake technique" (as it's being referred to) was an intentional trick added by the programmers. While you may not believe us now, when you get your hands on this incredible title, you'll wish we'd put in more tricks like it. Unfortunately, since we don't provide game tips via email, and since the game hasn't even been released yet, we don't want to give away any secrets. From all the buzz the game is generating both online and in print, though, we're pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
Thanks again for sharing your comments with us.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc. Greg Hamilton"

I just hope it won't be against the beautiful nature of the series, some of the videos and early comments are worrying..
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #56 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 08:05am » |
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they are sending out that stock email, I reckon they are lying. AV arent idiots and they wouldnt have included such a dull technique in the game that destroys it's balance and that staff ghosts dont even use....given it's easy of use too.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #57 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 09:39am » |
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crap, my anger about this thing is rising again, there had better be a technique for Max Speed that will rival or even out do this Dakou thing, because at least this way, I have a purpose for using Max-Speed settings against a "snaker"
But my opinion about it's simplicity is kinda changing, new comers to the series won't understand this at all, and if they do, they wouldn't know how to handle courses with a moderate amount of turns
but still, I wish they would make so that it doesn't give too much of a boost, it makes you go really fast without even boosting!
Bah, regardless, I'll learn to live with it and enjoy the game...
a good thing though is if they revise the staff ghost and the master AI to use the technique, I guess that could work also
I'm confused....
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #58 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 1:20pm » |
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I reckon its a stock e-mail too. I dont reckon they could have know about something like this. It does destroy the whole balance as the skill of f-zero is knowing when to hit the boost button and making sure you hit all of the speed boosts on the track, along with positioning and other stuff.
Even if there are other techniques, I dont think any of them will get you upto 2900km/h. Whether there are downsides to the snake technique on tight courses, there are still going to be opportunities to use it a few times per lap. Once people get good at it, they will be able to perform it in between each corner and gain that little bit extra speed. Even for the time trial, if I almost kill myself using a 'legitimate' technique to get my best time possible, all someone has to do is do exactly the same as me, but perform just one snake slide thingy and they will get an extra speed boost and beat my time by hundreths of a second, it would still be a better time.
I'm kind of rambling now, but I was really looking forward to pitting myself against you guys with the time trial stuff, but it looks like its back to improving the MV times that I have.
Overall, I will still love this game and will play it to death, but where most racing games come into their own after you have done everything else with time trial, this one will just go on the shelf.
Fingers crossed for the NTSC version.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #59 on: Aug 6th, 2003, 1:35pm » |
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on Aug 6th, 2003, 08:05am, Will Haven wrote:they are sending out that stock email, I reckon they are lying. AV arent idiots and they wouldnt have included such a dull technique in the game that destroys it's balance and that staff ghosts dont even use....given it's easy of use too. |
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I too think they're lying, AV, and mainly Nagoshi-san, must be extremely annoyed because of this. Wonder how Nintendo will react..? Anyways, I try to keep an open mind until the game is in my PAL hands.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #60 on: Aug 7th, 2003, 03:55am » |
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A move that will rival or murder Dakou is none other than DTD, that is, if DTD is even possible in FZGX but i haven't seen anyone pull it off before. It's probably capable of 4000-5000 km/h whatever the top speed is for GX.
Well thats all i got to say for now, i'll try to find out something special when i actually have the game. Took me 4 years to master FZX to a champion level.
keep up the good work DVM, i'll be there soon to challenge you but first you gotta improve like mad 
later.
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #61 on: Aug 7th, 2003, 9:04pm » |
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damn it! I'm not going to college (yet), so I have a year of playing the game! I'm with you man, let's all go find something
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Re: Vid of MC1 in 46 seconds ?
« Reply #62 on: Aug 7th, 2003, 11:29pm » |
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone stumbled across this at Ign?
http://cube.ign.com/articles/432/432558p3.html
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