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Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 13th, 2003, 12:32am

I think DVM (?) gave the address some months ago but... once again
http://bbs3.sekkaku.net/bbs/fzero.html

where sugi (former webmaster of the "japanese fzerocentral") said on wednesday that, like at the time of the GBA, he wants to make a ranking site for GX.
(in fact it may be "I want someone to do it". I'll ask confirmation...).
Most messages are about the impatience playing GX.
as for me it is "could you help us with P1, could we meet?",

and do you guys know this ?

http://wat.hp.infoseek.co.jp/machine.htm

I like the "side speed" data (when you press L or R, making you go faster when you "strafe")
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 13th, 2003, 8:24pm

I 've asked some precise questions about their strat on P1 (same site as the BBS) since the answer was "always drift".
since they don't say "drift turn"
I don't know if drift=(what I call) "strafing" or "drift turn"
I asked if from the first left corner to the dash plate it is one big turn, where to start the big drift turn in the dirt zones, and what was (what they call) inverter (?)for the last lap...
hope they will understand me...
if you have some questions for them...

my best lap is 21"62 in training btw
Re: Japanese board
Post by Greg on Jun 14th, 2003, 01:13am

My best lap in training is 21"48
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 14th, 2003, 08:47am

oh great, then I could have asked you some advices in French
Re: Japanese board
Post by ED-209 Automated Police Unit on Jun 14th, 2003, 11:51am

big drift turn in the dirt zones? man, you guys know everything!
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 16th, 2003, 7:48pm

not that much Nick... after 2 years on the same game.

a picture from Masao (webmaster) about what to do in the dirt zones:
http://www6.ocn.ne.jp/~fzero115/BiancaCity1_2.jpg

translation from up to bottom:
-boost in this area
-start drifting here
-try to graze this barrier a little
-here one blast only.

I can't really start the drift turn so soon and Leo is keeping me so busy on some other tracks that I don't really have time for this...
anyway i still can't figure out how I can gain 0.5sec per lap.
Re: Japanese board
Post by ED-209 Automated Police Unit on Jun 16th, 2003, 8:47pm

Tonio, I'm guessing that strat is for JV?

My big question for you is "on your first lap, do you ride in between the railing and the slowdown patch (big triangular patch, first one you come to) or do you go arround it, or what?"
I'm pretty bad at this track and can use some help.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 16th, 2003, 9:09pm

on Jun 16th, 2003, 8:47pm, nickharsh wrote:
My big question for you is "on your first lap, do you ride in between the railing and the slowdown patch (big triangular patch, first one you come to) or do you go arround it, or what?"
I'm pretty bad at this track and can use some help.


That's an easy one. Yes, you must cut between the rail and the first (and biggest) dirt patch on Lap 1 for best results.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 20th, 2003, 05:31am

we may expect a very good japanese player to join.
I clarified the "real name" probem.
you can see his PR's here, with some very

http://www6.ocn.ne.jp/~fzero115/record.htm


Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 20th, 2003, 11:09am

Fantastic! Can you get him to recruit the other top Japanese players from each of the versions, or at least GBA? He is probably able to contact some of them. His voice would be much more powerful than ours in helping make F-Zero Central TRULY a global competition.

on Jun 20th, 2003, 05:31am, Tonio wrote:
we may expect a very good japanese player to join.
I clarified the "real name" probem.
you can see his PR's here, with some very

http://www6.ocn.ne.jp/~fzero115/record.htm


Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 20th, 2003, 7:14pm

I'll try.
btw sugi said I want SOMEONE to make a ranking site for GX.

Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 21st, 2003, 08:57am

Dave you got it, your first top japanese player at fzerocentral!

Another japanese player (NRG-MAN on the board) will join soon, don't know his times however.

And MASAO invited the other players to join fzcentral on his board!


you're welcome!





Re: Japanese board
Post by Leo on Jun 21st, 2003, 09:54am

now we're screwed lol

also try getting their FULL name.. not like masao I.. let them know we use our real names.. not some weird abreviation or nickname..

Leo
Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 21st, 2003, 12:20pm

A few things . . . I know you're just joking about "now we're screwed", but I want to take this opportunity to point out how exciting and POSITIVE it is that we may be receiving more top Japanese players on GBA (and hopefully other versions as well someday soon!). F-Zero Central is meant to be a worldwide competition, and this is our chance for that dream to become a TRUE reality. I'm thrilled about the idea, although personally, Masao's enrollment will push me from King D back to Master A ... which should tell you how big a deal this is for the site if I can keep a positive attitude in the face of personal disappointment.

Also, the issue of real names has become a tricky one. Long ago, I offered to let the Japanese players use their nicknames if they joined us. It was a compromise I was willing to make because those players already were familiar with each other using those names at sugi's site, and I wanted to bring them here for the reason stated above (true global participation). They didn't come here at that time, because they were happy with sugi's site, so why join another one ... one that doesn't even speak Japanese? That site is now gone, but Masao is one of the players that the offer was originally made to. I will still encourage the Japanese players to use their real names, but at this time I am not withdrawing their option of nicknames. I know that this creates an unfair double standard, but that is the "sticky" situation I have put myself in, and I am not willing to refuse membership to the elite Japanese F-Zero GBA players over this.

Lastly, this is for Antoine:
Can you please ask sugi if he can send me his world record data? Or give it to you to forward to me, either way would be great. I'm not asking for his full list of times of all players, just a full list of his site's SRs for all three versions. I want to compile a full list of WRs from all reasonable sources. Thanks!

Dave


on Jun 21st, 2003, 09:54am, Leo wrote:
now we're screwed lol

also try getting their FULL name.. not like masao I.. let them know we use our real names.. not some weird abreviation or nickname..

Leo

Re: Japanese board
Post by Barry on Jun 21st, 2003, 8:14pm

on Jun 21st, 2003, 12:20pm, Webmaster wrote:
A few things . . . I know you're just joking about "now we're screwed", but I want to take this opportunity to point out how exciting and POSITIVE it is that we may be receiving more top Japanese players on GBA (and hopefully other versions as well someday soon!). F-Zero Central is meant to be a worldwide competition, and this is our chance for that dream to become a TRUE reality. I'm thrilled about the idea, although personally, Masao's enrollment will push me from King D back to Master A ... which should tell you how big a deal this is for the site if I can keep a positive attitude in the face of personal disappointment.


Now that is going to be very, VERY cool. Meh, a possible drop back to Expert, but given time, I should be able to make Master D again. (That is, once I stop finding other games to play.... lol)

on Jun 21st, 2003, 12:20pm, Webmaster wrote:
Also, the issue of real names has become a tricky one. Long ago, I offered to let the Japanese players use their nicknames if they joined us. It was a compromise I was willing to make because those players already were familiar with each other using those names at sugi's site, and I wanted to bring them here for the reason stated above (true global participation). They didn't come here at that time, because they were happy with sugi's site, so why join another one ... one that doesn't even speak Japanese? That site is now gone, but Masao is one of the players that the offer was originally made to. I will still encourage the Japanese players to use their real names, but at this time I am not withdrawing their option of nicknames. I know that this creates an unfair double standard, but that is the "sticky" situation I have put myself in, and I am not willing to refuse membership to the elite Japanese F-Zero GBA players over this.


Fair enough, Dave. Besides, it gives both sides(FZC and the Japanese players) a chance to get to know each other a bit first, a method that I highly approve of. Maybe once the Japanese players get to know us a bit more, they may (or may not, for that matter) decide to use thier real names.

I guess it's just a matter of time and waiting.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:06pm

sugi is planning to join too.
yeah Dave I'll ask him for the records.

I checked the new section of the forum in Japanese... you just used an automatic translator Dave?
quite good!!
Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:22pm

on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:06pm, Tonio wrote:
sugi is planning to join too.
yeah Dave I'll ask him for the records.

I checked the new section of the forum in Japanese... you just used an automatic translator Dave?
quite good!!

Excellent news about sugi!

Yes, I use the Japanese Excite translator at:

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/text/

My theory is that it knows Japanese very well, and I can figure out the English part. I translate the words back and forth multiple times, trying to minimize the damage that a translator can cause to a phrase.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 21st, 2003, 11:42pm

very good very good (just a bit weird )
and how come did Nori instantly posted a message?
he was the webmaster of a ranking site for X, that is now back online from what I understand in his message...

I've asked sugi (trying to be as polite as possible... tough ) for the records.

busy busy busy.
back to work (to justify my stay un Japan I have to write some stupid reports in english)

edit: OK! Nori was already registered here. that's why!!
Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 22nd, 2003, 10:32am

Sugi has now submitted times for all 3 versions, becoming our 15th Universal player! Sugi used to run the leading F-Zero time trial competition site (all versions) in Japan. He joins Fred Just, MAX 2000, Sami Cetin, Dustin Andrews and myself as former or current F-Zero time trial competition webmasters who are members here.

Dave

edit: changed "14th Universal player" to 15th because technically Olivier Holmiere became a member of all 3 competitions shortly before sugi. The Universal chart is growing fast!!!
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 22nd, 2003, 6:21pm

cool!
I should advertize this universal ranking too.
sugi is going to send you the records after putting them in order.

after analyzing 100 japanese BBS on the internet (ok... I just asked my girlfriend )
I think the title of the forum is ok but for the explanation (talk about f-zero...) try
"F-Zeroについての話を日本語で"
("f-zero ni tsuite no hanashi o nihongo de" if you want to know...)


Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 25th, 2003, 04:29am

sugi on the board today:

"GXを予約し、本体も何とか買えそうです。
これで残すは、ランキングサイトの復活ですな(笑)"

"I preordered GC, and looks like I'll be able to buy a GC soon too. Then the only thing left is the rebirth of the ranking site (laugh)"

preorder? preorder? tomorrow let's do that too!!
J-30! (the release date seems to be confirmed for July 25).

Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 25th, 2003, 10:13am

I reserved my US version yesterday at a local shop.
Re: Japanese board
Post by djungelurban on Jun 26th, 2003, 09:02am

This is really exciting actually, I've always wondered when the first Japanese player would join the SNES competion. I just hope that others will follow Sugi's example and join aswell, even though many of them will kick my butt.

Also, the universal rankings was a really good idea, I'm sure that's the main reason to the high activity recently.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 26th, 2003, 09:22am

from sugi on the BBS about the japanese ranking site:

"What kind of site it will be, seems like it will depend on my feeling at this time.
「果てしなき挑戦者たち」 (former site) just as it was maybe... I also think of a legendary (!) ranking site like its predecessor 「F-ZERO Xの稽古部屋」 .
Build something new is ok but I also want good things to stay forever.

As people capable of holding up the administration of a ranking site don't appear, am I the only one in Japan who can move?
"
Dave you still has not changed the jap board subtitle...

Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 26th, 2003, 10:49am

So it sounds to me that sugi really wants to have a high quality ranking site that is in Japanese, but is irritated that everyone else is lazily sitting around waiting for him to create it.

I'll be honest with you Antoine, somehow I didn't read your suggestion for the forum description. It's changed now.

on Jun 26th, 2003, 09:22am, Tonio wrote:
from sugi on the BBS about the japanese ranking site:

"What kind of site it will be, seems like it will depend on my feeling at this time.
「果てしなき挑戦者たち」 (former site) just as it was maybe... I also think of a legendary (!) ranking site like its predecessor 「F-ZERO Xの稽古部屋」 .
Build something new is ok but I also want good things to stay forever.

As people capable of holding up the administration of a ranking site don't appear, am I the only one in Japan who can move?
"
Dave you still has not changed the jap board subtitle...

Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 27th, 2003, 08:09am

shinkichi (しんきち)won't join because he can't understand english AT ALL. he said to me
"for GX let's compete on sugi's upcoming site!"

btw..... Dave... your picture?


Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 27th, 2003, 10:51am

on Jun 27th, 2003, 08:09am, Tonio wrote:
btw..... Dave... your picture?

I'll work on getting a picture of myself. Maybe this weekend when I don't have quite as much to do. I keep a checklist of FZC projects both large and small, and getting a pic of me to put in the gallery is on that list.
Re: Japanese board
Post by Tonio on Jun 28th, 2003, 08:36am

interesting post on the japanese BBS about the update here. (hey you're 4th overall sugi, good job! -it's just that there are few participants"), and sugi really encourages the other player to join here ("even if it will just make my rank go down")

I've decided to translate posts on the Japanese forum here, I think it's a good way to promote it...
is it ok?
but people here have to know that it's not "japanese only", that japanese players are asking questions to them...

I also receive mails from japanese players (2...), curious about f-zero oversea or other things....



Re: Japanese board
Post by Webmaster on Jun 28th, 2003, 5:17pm

That sounds great, Antoine! BTW, Shinkichi has joined GBA!