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« Thread started on: Apr 16th, 2003, 1:40pm » |
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Hello there, i've been needing to pull up this subject a while ago, but just didnt need it was necessary back then. I am about to get back into some snes action very soon and atempt some WRs in DW2 and maybe firefield.. my concern is ( rather, my question ) is, can i use any sort of enhancing device with my snes to give me infinite lives?? that would give me more chances to attempt the records, and not have to play all previous tracks again and be wasting time. I really do believe thats how the japanese got all their records.. u cant be a master a firefield for example, just having 4 or 5 tries per game.. then have to play the whole league over again.. u need lots of practice doing it over and over again.. I really dont see a problem with doing this as long as i can prove my strategy ( i sure hope no one ever doubts me ). another concern would be 'imature players ' using the device for other purposes.. well, thats not really my problem. I have never used one of these before..but if its agreed upon, then i will look foward to getting one for myself. let me know what u guys think about.. I know i can get WRs.. i just need infinite lives 
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #1 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 2:26pm » |
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I will give my opinion in due time, but I want to hear from at least a couple other players before I do that. Come on guys, give us your thoughts. Leo is right, this is an important issue.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #2 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 2:43pm » |
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yes, there are... look at this page, http://www.world-of-nintendo.com/pro_action_replay/super_nes/f-zero.shtml . but remember that you cant be completely sure that using these codes wont affect the game in more ways then one. you can actually be cheating without even knowing it!!!
my suggestion to you is to download te rom, buy a snes pad replica and use it for training (just for training though).
anyway, regardless of what you decide to do I trust you and I don't think you would anything to improve your times "illegally". if Dave thinks it's OK, then I think it's OK. but I think that it should only be allowed under extreme circumstances, like trying to beat the world record etc.
the only danger with allowing things like Action Replay is that it will lower the "moral standards" (is that a real expresion). I feel that everyone on this site is very honest, but we allow Action Replay people might start using it for other reasons too. If that happens the charm of fzerocentral is lost forever.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #3 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 6:17pm » |
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That would give you an unfair advantage compared to those without an Action Replay or similar and who have to work their way through the leagues each time to get to the desired course ( like myself )
Of course it would be nice to play tracks like DW2 or FF with infinte lives or even better without that damn trafic but I think that coping with these obstacles is part of the dificulty.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #4 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 8:26pm » |
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Hehe interesting though Leo, but i guess it does seem a bit right since the Snes version isn't like the N64 which allows you to play all the tracks, snes you just gotta go hell with the gp mode to get to the desired track then only have like 5 shots at it.
I know whats its like doing WR times and you need some scary amount of retries just to get it. Its true you can't master tracks like fire field out of the blue when it takes long to get there and when your there you can't really do much with only like 3-5 retries unless they spend 8 years playing then i wouldn't say a word. 8 years is enough to do it the manual way having to earn your way to the track then attempt for an insane run.
anyway i think its okay if Leo uses some cheat just for practicing, though of course it'll be a little unfair for other players but it'll higher the chances to go against a WR. This site works off of trust and cooperation so i guess Leo has some trust already from other people, people who haven't shown some type of proof could be a little different in opinion though everything seems fine
Leo go kick butt or something man hehe 
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #5 on: Apr 16th, 2003, 11:14pm » |
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100% agree with DVM.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #6 on: Apr 17th, 2003, 12:53am » |
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To get WR's with practicing off the enhancer doesn't sound too self-satisfaction, but it might be the only way to even come close to the WR's.
However DVM's method is the most normal and unbiased that it could get, well you choose Leo .
I still like the thought of you trying out or practicing with the enhancer probably will make it kinda interesting though i am pretty sure not many players will agree to it hehe.
would be much more proud beating the WR without any help. anyway well goodluck then i guess, later all...
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #7 on: Apr 17th, 2003, 03:04am » |
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If the code only allows you to have infinite lives, I don't see why you should not be allowed to use them. Like you said yourself, it's kinda frustrating when you only get 4 or 5 tries, and then you have to beat all the other tracks again to get to that track.
However, if the code affects the game in any other ways (speed and stuff like that), do not use it.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #8 on: Apr 17th, 2003, 1:04pm » |
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the only reason i would ever use the enhancer would be for infinite lives ( just more practice ). I guess we will never know how the japanese did it..but i can be all 100% sure they use this tactic. well since many of you have not agreed with this, i will not buy the enhancer, and just play they game normaly.. i just thought i had a good chance at the firefield WR..but i'm not going to be wasting my time playing kind league over and over again, cause i do actually have a life u know.. DW2 i shouldnt have lots of problems since its the second track on the league... i should be able to get it with lots of practice..
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #9 on: Apr 17th, 2003, 2:12pm » |
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Thanks Leandro, I agree with your conclusion. I think that DVM's reply stated it very well.
No one should feel the need to purchase a "cheat device" to be able to keep up with the top players, even if it is only to gain infinite lives. Also, the temptation to use cheat codes for greater speed would be greatly magnified. If I ever get proof that the Japanese players used infinite lives on SNES, I'll disallow their WRs (for the purposes of F-Zero Central) for six of the tracks. Only the seven time trial courses plus MC2 and MC3 could be considered "legitimate" in my opinion.
Which brings me to other interesting questions. Should the GBA Player be considered off-limits as well? It could be considered an unfair advantage to play FZMV on the television. Hmm, where do we draw the line? Certainly the 4MB memory upgrade for the N64 can affect play there as well. I'm curious as to who is playing with or without that N64 expansion. I have it (got it with Donkey Kong 64, as I recall).
Perhaps these peripherals should be allowed because they don't have the added temptation of cheating with infinite boost or max speed codes. Your thoughts?
I'm going to move this to Open F-Zero because I have brought other versions into the discussion.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #10 on: Apr 17th, 2003, 9:38pm » |
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As In my conclusion, I can't lean towards using a cheat code, but if it allows ONLY infinite lives, then it might be borderline OK, but DVM is correct. It WOULD alienate some people. Then again, just about ANYTHING would alienate some people.
Let me sum up what everyone said in a nutshell: Leo: I want to use a code for infinite lives, but I am not sure it is okay. Webmaster: It looks to see we have to have other peoples opinions. Splash: If it is only a code for infinite lives, go for it. DJjungel: If you use a code, it may "insert" codes you MAY NOT WANT. DVM: I would not recommend this tatic at all. Tonio: 100% back up of DVM. Webmaster: Lets bring this into a general topic discussion, as this may spill into other games. For the time being, lets keep generating some responses. JKT: In n64, we can go at any track at anytime, but for other games, it might be worth it. KEJ: I cannot come to a successful conclusion.
Well, some of this doesn't sum it up 100% correct, but it is not cutting stone, either. As for other editions, we should leave the perheprials in. (GBA Player, and whatever the N64 equipment device it is) As for SNES, I don't think cheating with the infinite lives is correct or incorrect. As for now, I am neutral to the subject. Kort Everett Jackson
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #11 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 12:11am » |
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Once you alter the program of the game with a code then you are no longer playing the original game and your times should not apply.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #12 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 01:25am » |
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My PC crashed before I had the chance to post my reply and now I can't be bothered to write it again, but I'll say this...
All kinds of "enhancing devices" should be banned from time trial competitions.
The add-ons such as the N64 ram pack thingy (which doesn't alter FZX in anyway) and the GB Player should be okay because there official and they don't change anything about the game unlike a Action replay.
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #13 on: Apr 18th, 2003, 09:48am » |
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yeah, player are ok imo. sp too . no real difference (except you can actually see what's happening on the screen, yeah that may help )
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Re: Important topic
« Reply #14 on: Apr 22nd, 2003, 1:53pm » |
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Hey there. I haven't played F-Zero much on snes but enough to know that it is a pain to get all the way to Fire Field when you want to try and set a record. This is what I suggest you do which should be alright.
1.Download a Rom of F-Zero on Snes. 2.Get to Fire Field on the rom and use a savestate right there. 3.Get to Fire Field on the real game and puase your game right there. 4.Use the savestate to allow you to practice Fire Field as much as you want. 5.Then when you feel your ready. Go and try to set a record on the real game.
Of course certain conditions like not having a computer controller or your emulator might effect the way you practice. But I think it should help out. Go ahead and try it if you like.
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