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Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:09am
System: GBA
There are entirley way too many factors that are in this game in order to be able to beat it on master class. 1) CPU Vehicle Speed 2) Wasted Boosts 3) Pedestrians
CPU Vehicle Speed When Master class becomes unlocked The CPU vehicles are so fast that you cannot pass them without a boost and even when you do pass them they just get right back in front of you again. Another good example is the stingray. Thje stingray vehicle has a boost time that goes almost 600 MPH and lasts for 12 seconds. Now how the hell is it possible for a vehicle such as Hot Violet to be able to even catch up to it....So one would figure that if the CPU is using Wind Walker to beat you using the stingray, then you use the wind walker right. So you pick wind walker and then the CPU beats you using the Stingray. So because of this, no matter what vehicle you are using you can never stay ahead of the CPU in order to win.
Wasted Boosts Boosts in master class are 100% completely useless. 99.9% of the time (No matter where you boost from on the track) You can never get into the top 3. Even that.1% of the time you do manage to get into the top 3 you never stay there. 75% of the time wind up even further behind then when you started. So as you can see there really is no point to a boost if you use it to get ahead and then either can't get there or stay there). A boost is somthing to get you ahead, Not get further behind then what you started at.
3) Pedestrians The final factor is the pedestrians. There should be absoultley 0 (Zero) pedestrians on any of these tracks whatsoever. Every time you come around a corner in this game on any of these tracks (After the 3rd lap) You will always somehow no matter how good or careful of a driver you are, always just happen to bang into a pedestrian sending you flying backward while the CPU 98% of the time miss them and fly by you thus making you lose the race or the place you were in I mean come on are there pedestrians on the Indianapolis 500 or any other racetrack in the world while the race is going on?
I can tell you because of these 3 factors posted above, that this game cannot be completed on master class. No matter what anyone says No one is going to tell me otherwise. One last thing: At first I thought it was me, So I loaned this game to 12 of my friends. It turned out that all 12 of my friends said the same thing I did they were having the same exact problems I was. So here we have 13 people having the same EXACT thing happen so this isn't a coincidence. They gave it back to me and said it's impossible to finish this game in it's entirty. So in the end I know it's not me.
If anyone wants to respond to this feel free. However keep in mind that this isn't a topic asking for help or opinions it was just something I posted that's all Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:21am
I can tell you that it is entirely possible to beat the Master Series, I have and a lot of other people on this site will have done as well.
Have you tried getting in front of the check arrow to stop the CPU overtaking you? You could also try saving your boosts up for the last couple of laps then boost the entire last 2 laps. The most important thing about the Master Series is that you have to know the tracks inside out, you cannot afford to hit the sides of the track or the backmarkers else the difficulty of getting 3rd or higher will be greater. Keep practicing and eventually you'll do it.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:32am
First off I'm an excellent driver when it comes to racing (I have records in both GTA3 and GTA VC) For the car races as well as the helicopter checkpoint missions and second I'm also a veteran at games in general
Everything you are telling and suggesting me to do I've all ready tried and done well over 100 times and that's not an exaggerated number either. I've actually done it that many times with the same result every single time. So that's the reason for this post.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:38am
Have you unlocked the Falkon Mk 11? What kind of times are you getting on say, the Pawn tracks?
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Barry on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:50am
Is it difficult to beat the Master difficulty? Yep. Is it impossible? Nope. Done it twice.
Try adjusting your strategies around for each course and see how that works. (About all I can suggest for the time being.)
*Edit: Had the first post as a quote, but made message too long.*
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:52am
There are shortcuts on quite a few of the tracks, check these message boards for them. Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:55am
MK FALCON II that vehicle is horrible. I beat that thing in a race using Wind Walker and Short cuts useless on this mode too they are just like the Boosts the CPU is way too fast and catches up to you way too quick I have every the following things unlocked Queen series All Classes at all difficulties and all beat except for any Master Class Which can't be finished because of the reasons I posted Earlier I have Sly Joker, Sting Ray, MK Falcon II Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 10:58am
I can assure you that the shortcuts are VERY useful to help you stay in front of the CPU.
I suggest you check out of strats pages for tips on the tracks. If you can improve your track strategies and get faster times, you will easily beat the Master Series.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:05am
If Master class couldn't be beaten then no one would have Fighting Comet. Lots of us have FC, and did so without any codes.
As a veteran gamer, I'm sure you must have encountered many message board topics across the internet where a player of a game says that something is impossible when you know for a fact that it CAN be done. In each case it is just a matter of that person not yet understanding exactly what is needed to perform that task.
Now you're on the other side of that conversation, that's all.
As the webmaster of F-Zero Central, I have nothing to gain by attempting to deceive you. Talk with us some more, keep an open mind, and once you beat Master you'll enjoy the game more and appreciate FZC for what it is ... one of the most friendly and helpful gaming sites anywhere.
Dave Crawford
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 11:35am
The short cuts are helpful to keep you in front of the CPU Whatever!! You obviuosly didn't read the section in my post about how the Cpu will always catch up to and pass you no matter what if you did read it you blatently ignored it. For everyone's info, there will not be any strategy that anyone will be able to tell me that I haven't all ready tried or used I'll give you a little run down to start i have had this game for a little over 7 months. I have had at least 6 moths of practice with this game, I have read over 70 different FAQ'S, Tried over 100 different strategies, I even have the the very first Nintendo Advance with this game in it,. and that's just to start.
The fact of the matter is that the problems are listed and real.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Locks on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:00pm
If you dropped that arrogant attitude and read some of the strats written on this site maybe, but just maybe, you would succed in beating the game in Master difficulty. I only have Queen in Master to beat and I find the first three tracks more or less easy to finish in the top 3, and I'm not even a good FZMV player.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by GreggRichardson on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:07pm
Hey I got all four in Master level by Falcon MkII....boy I hadnt play racing in master for months....I did improve FC in time attack in months later...i shoud go racing in FC sooner...
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:25pm
I'm gonna hafta make this guy some videos of me beating Master with Falcon just to prove the point.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:31pm
I'm gonna hafta make this guy some videos of me beating Master with Falcon just to prove the point.
Yup, that seems like the only way at the moment.
Why don't you make it Hot Violet? Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:37pm
Someone posted: If you dropped that arrogant attitude and read some of the strats written on this site maybe, but just maybe, you would succed in beating the game in Master difficulty. I only have Queen in Master to beat and I find the first three tracks more or less easy to finish in the top 3, and I'm not even a good FZMV player. As I said before there isn't a strtegy around that anyone will beable to tell me or any that I haven't all ready tried
You can't weigh the facts with just talk! Enough talk!! Talk is getting everyone here no where nstead of people just saying they beat this class Prove it I'll end this right now: I want someone (Anyone) to prove me wrong infact I dare someone too. I'll make a pledge right now and say I'm willing to be proved wrong. I want to see a video of every single master class race being won. When someone does this then and opny then not only will I say sorry but I'll start believing people that are just talking.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 12:44pm
Oh yeah one more thing with the videos. I'm going to copy someones movements in the video (And trust me me I can do it) so that it should work for me the way it did for them and if it does then good I happy I was proved wrong. But if not then what I said holds true and that means someone spliced and messed with the video (Like splicing the stage select screen with a race from beginner class. So I think that's fair. this will just back up the video so that I can't say anything about it.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:00pm
No problem. I just finished beating Pawn Master with Falcon Mk-II. I'm copying the video of Pawn Final (used NO boosts to finish first) and then the summary of all five races. The other race videos will be available upon request ... I'm not putting all five in there just because the file would be quite large.
I'll post the link to the video here when it's ready.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:29pm
Great where do i go and how do I watch it?
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Locks on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:31pm
I have no means of making a video but I can take a snapshot of the menu, as you now the difficulties already beaten are shwon in green. If you want them I'll gladly edit my post with the screenshots.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:35pm
No I'm straight. But thanks anyway Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by ED-209 Automated Police Unit on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:38pm
I agree with tx3k, the master series is impossible to beat. Clearly this entire site is a hoax, perpetrated just to fool gullible f-zero players. Hats off to you, tx3000! You have uncovered our little ploy! Please, tx3000, I ask you kindly not to blow the joke for anyone else- eat this post as soon as you read it!
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:40pm
14.6 Mb video of Falcon Mk-II beating Pawn Final on Master difficulty and the summaries of all five Pawn Master races:
(video link removed ... tx3000 has received it, and that was the purpose)
Edit: BTW, I lost a craft on Pawn 2 when I carelessly didn't recharge lost power each lap.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:47pm
Ok I'll check it thanks.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 1:53pm
You might have to right-click and Save Target As ... that's what I'm having to do to download it properly.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by tx3000 on Jul 23rd, 2003, 2:04pm
Ok my question to you is how the hell did you take the corners and not have 4 or 5 vehicles pass you every time? Every single time on master class reguardless of which track I'm on or where I am on the track, or which lap. I always have at least 4-5 vehicles pass me either that or I get slammed into a pedestrian and get sent flying backward. There hasn't been one time that this hasn't happened to me. So the only conclusion I can come to is that you somehow managed to not lose speed around the corners you are taking. On top of that you didn't get slamed into any walls or pedestrians when The CPU slammed into you from behind. I also don't know what happened in that video, but I counted only 4-5 pedestrians on your track. When I'm on master class I get about 9 or 10 pedestrians. What the hell is that all about?
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 2:13pm
Do you drift turn around the corners? Drift turning is using the opposite shoulder button when you are turning. For example, to turn sharply to the right, you use L + right on the pad, and you slide through the turn without losing speed. That's what you are seeing in the shart turns (hairpin turn and final turn really need drift turning to avoid the problems you speak of.).
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by F-Zero Fanatic on Jul 23rd, 2003, 2:23pm
Nice video Dave, but tsk tsk, 2nd on both the Stark Farm tracks.
There were atleast 15 backmarkers on Dave's video. They always come up in the most annoying places, don't you agree.
Also, did you notice that everytime Dave took the PF shortcut he moved into 1st place.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 2:26pm
Nice video Dave, but tsk tsk, 2nd on both the Stark Farm tracks.
Yeah, got bounced around in traffic on the last lap and could only recover to 2nd. Oh well, the point was to show our new friend what he's missing, not to make the perfect instructional vid. Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Webmaster on Jul 23rd, 2003, 2:34pm
"Pedestrians" (the folks here call them backmarkers) don't really concern me that much. I just go around them as much as possible. I didn't program the game of course, but my guess is that more backmarkers are created when you fall further back in the pack. So my staying at or near the lead helped me avoid additional traffic. That's just my theory anyway, I don't have any research to confirm it.
And not hitting the walls after getting bumped is just a matter of watching the "check" marker so you know when they're coming. If you are lined up evenly in front of a vehicle when it hits you, and you are driving straight ahead, it just bumps you forward.
Half of the battle is practice, practice, practice. The other half is the belief that it CAN be done. Which is one reason F-Zero Central is here ... to show you the amazing things that can be accomplished in the F-Zero games. Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by none on Aug 8th, 2003, 3:17pm
OK, even though the master difficilty is hard, it is possible. Ive beaten the Pawn Master difficulty with some ease but the next three are incredibly hard, i practice against masters and win but cant on grand prix. Now, one thing is that pedestrians are not pedestrians, if you drive bakwards you'll notice that they are drivers (theres about 10 of them). Now i have Falcon Mk 11 and he is no help on beating master so i think the game may be to hard. The boost may also get you in trouble because they are horrible on turns. This is my perspective of the game.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by Ryan Jenning on Aug 8th, 2003, 3:41pm
Wow, I guess I must be awesome at MV because I can go through every single sup (all beating expert then master) but thats because I have to do that every single time because my game doesn't save. But I can beat everything with Fireball, Stingray, Falcon MK-II, Fighting Comet, and the Jet Vermillion.
Re: Master Class=Impossible
Post by UHD on Aug 15th, 2003, 03:18am
Yeah, I've done all the masters in everything but the JB Crystal. It doesn't even seem hard anymore. Drift turning is the key. That and getting bumped ahead by rivals. Can I just comment that the Stingray boosts at 520 kmph not 600.