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Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke Mute City Master on Jan 29th, 2003, 02:41am

I wish to issue a Mute City I challenge to all of the top Mute City I competitors including:

1) Joey Bergeron (1'58"79)
2) John Bergeron
3) David Van Moer
4) Kort Everett Jackson
5) Leo Ribeiro
6) Aliek - "Top Speed"
7) Anyone else with expert racing skills

One of us needs to BEAT THE JAPENESE WORLD RECORD of 1'58"49 ASAP!!!

The Mute City I World Record has to be the most competitive and sought-after record in SNES Fzero. And, in my opinion, by far and away the most Supreme record in all of Video Racing Games.

Can you imagine being able to call yourself the Fzero Mute City I World Record Holder. That sounds like an incredibly prestigeous title to me.

Mute City I is a course like no other. Because of it's simplicity, it is very complex. In order to shave the prescious hundreths of a second off each of the 5 laps, tremendous technique, concentration, racing ability and consistency are needed.

I am planning on my time of 1'58"60 being challenged very soon by a member of this website. After that, one of us must take away from the Japenese the #1 record that the game has to offer.

Good Luck to All!!!


Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke Mute City Master on Jan 29th, 2003, 11:09pm

Congradulations to DAVID VAN MOER on his new PAL converted Mute City I Time of 1'58"80. Well done! I will be expecting you to approach my time of 1'58"60 in the very near future.

Do you have any idea of what your 5 converted lap times were?

Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by David Van Moer on Jan 30th, 2003, 05:58am

Sure, my lap times were 34"00 + 31"14 + 31"06 + 31"14 + 31"06 so an NTSC approximation would be 25"50 + 23"35(5) + 23"29(5) + 23"35(5) + 29"29(5).

Opener was very nice (cut off both dirthpatches with only losing 10-15kph) .. somewhat inconsistent on the 1-boost laps. Always seems to be my problem here. Also sometimes the boost wears off just a second faster or so for no apparent reason and I get 31'2 laps.

DVM
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke Mite City Master on Jan 30th, 2003, 6:37pm

David: What is your personnel best single boost lap? This number is very important when figuring your 5-lap potential on MC1. Right Now, if you just brought the 23"35 laps down to 23"27s you would have a 4-lap average of a 23"28 and a 5-lap time of around 1'58"62 -- 1'58"64. Keep up the good racing!!!


Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke Mute City Master on Feb 4th, 2003, 11:48pm

Congradulations to Kort Everett Jackson on his MC1 time of 1'58"89. Kort: Can you give me your 5-Lap breakdown?


Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Feb 5th, 2003, 12:06am

OK Rich, we know you're the Mute City Master, but you're not even a MEMBER until you bust out a set of times and send them in!

I'm looking forward to announcing you (soon) as our MC1 record holder, but the ball is in your court, as they say.

Dave
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 5th, 2003, 12:13am

Dave: I will try to send them in by tommorrow morning. I still have to race all of the tracks on the Queen Circuit because I don't have a time for any of those tracks yet.


Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 5th, 2003, 12:18am

Also Dave: What do you think about putting up for view that MC1 single boost lap of 23"22 that I sent you? I do consider that much more impressive than my 1'58"60. The 23"22 may never be broken but the 1'58"60 will soon be history and I would like to still have some claim to fame when that happens.


Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Leo on Feb 5th, 2003, 12:47am

we dont keep 1 boost lap records Rich..for lap records we use all 4 boosts.. by the way , do u play any other tracks other than mC1? or is that all u can do?
oh..go ahead and try to beat my 22"48 for fast lap..bet u'll have a hard time

Leandro
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Feb 5th, 2003, 12:50am

Yeah, I can do that. I felt the 1'58"60 was important to do first because it shows the same strat as what the 23"22 will show, plus it validated your record time. But I understand your desire to get your most valued achievement on display. I'll do it as soon as I get a chance.

BTW, not to burst your bubble, but I remember seeing a Japanese 1-boost lap of 23"21.

Dave
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Leo on Feb 5th, 2003, 8:46pm

as far as the japanese all time records show.. 23"22 is also their fastest 1 boost lap on MC1..but since it pretty old, its probably been beaten by now..u guys check this page out http://www.aya.or.jp/~tko/gif/bmfz9203.gif
its got the WR race time, best first lap, and best lap with one boost.. since its quite 'unofficial' for us, i think its better we still use their site records as the official WRs ( yea..a 1'52"08 for DW2 is hard to swallow ).. notice also that many times have been beaten by QPM, horry and BAM

au revoir
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Feb 5th, 2003, 9:29pm

Whoa, cool page! Where did you find it? The related index page doesn't seem to have anything to do with that image, is there a website that it is attached to?

Yeah, 1'52"08 on DW2 is crazy, but then again, stranger things have happened. If I was better at the game, I'd go exploring different strats to see what we may be missing.

I am quite certain that the Japanese time trial site had a 23"21 lap listed. In my mind, that is the fastest single-boost lap on record. Until Rich and others here "go for the gold," that is.

Just because the Japanese site is gone doesn't mean they've stopped playing. There still MUST be an active online F-Zero community somewhere in Japan. We need to find where they're migrating to!

Dave
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by JKTFZEROX on Feb 5th, 2003, 9:56pm

Well as far as I know the only systems that Central is behind on against the Japanese league is :

FZ MV
FZ SNES

thats about it

and for FZX you got me and I am pretty none other Japanese out there is faster than me concerning that they loved to use turbo controllers to max out there times with, I can assure you using turbo controllers you can't pull off stuff I do, well you could but its heck hard
and turbo controllers totally are horrible at DTD's

So for WR's our league is the fastest in the world.
only a tiny bit behind on Death Race and I am counting on Graham to beat the Jap death race time of 27"6 something.

I will remain inactive when FZ GC comes out or I might retire from FZX but for now I am still playing.

7450 hours and still counting. Japs probably still play FZX too but doesn't look like they're doing any good hehe.

well cya later

,JKTSPEED []



Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 6th, 2003, 01:35am

Leo: I think you're right. I may have a hard time breaking that 22'"48 fast lap on MC1. I have not ever tried to use 4 boosts on the same lap. Got any advise on when to use each turbo (besides the first).

Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 6th, 2003, 01:50am

Congradulations to LEO on his Mute City I time of 1'58"84. Leo: Can you give me your 5-Lap breakdown?

Rich Luke -- "Mute City Master"
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 6th, 2003, 01:56am

Does anyone have contact with Joey or John Bergeron? They have not responded to any of my challenges and seeing that they are two of the top competitors on MC1, they would certainly benefit from all that has taken place recently on the MC1 circuit.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Feb 6th, 2003, 02:29am

They have each appeared briefly in the past (on separate occasions from each other), so we know that they are aware of F-Zero Central. But they've shown no interest in participating here on an ongoing basis. Both were inherited from Sami Cetin's now inactive F-Zero Player's Site and World Records (link to it is on our Links page).
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Leo on Feb 6th, 2003, 12:25pm

25"68, 23"31, 23"26, 23"31, 23"28 = 1'58"84

no big strategies on using 4 boosts on one lap..just takes some getting used to... shouldn't be very hard for you
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by KEJackson on Feb 7th, 2003, 10:34pm

Just like some other players that we inherited. Dustin Andrews, Tyler Needham, and some other people from FZX that are the exact same way.
Kort Everett Jackson
(Might decide to cover this area a little more)
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 11th, 2003, 01:11am

Is anyone gaining any ground on the MC1 circuit yet? I need to have some pressure on me to get myself motivated again so I can start playing some more and hopefully better my time.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by David Van Moer on Feb 11th, 2003, 3:12pm

Well I was trying some MC1 this afternoon and got exactly the same time again of 2'38"40 !

did get a new fastest 1-boost lap though of 31"04 .. (23"28)

DVM
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 18th, 2003, 12:50am

CONGRADULATIONS TO LEO on his new Mute City I time. Passing Joey Bergeron up with a 1'58"77 is Awesome!!!! 17 hundreths and counting...
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on Feb 18th, 2003, 7:56pm

HEY HEY! I'm finally ready to join you guys in the quest for the wr! Sure..my time is still a half second behind...but now that I'm in the 1'58" range I'll do my best to dig in the deepest corners of mute city to beat that record (unless you guys get there first, hehe).
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 19th, 2003, 5:29pm

Good Job Aliek on your 1'58"97 on MC1. That's great!! Can you give us your 5-lap breakdown?
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on Feb 19th, 2003, 8:03pm

Mute City 1

1) 25"67
2)23"32
3)23"31
4)23"35
5)23"32

Total. 1'58"97

Best one boost lap yet: 23"29
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 20th, 2003, 01:26am

Responding to your last message, Top Speed:

"Rich, before I go on...I must thank you. If it weren't for your video and your various tips, this moment could never have happened to me in my current life time.
I, Aliek "Top Speed" Bertolucci, have finally broke the 1'59"00 barrier that had kept my mind enslaved for the past month of playing. A triple THANK YOU!!! my friend.

1. 25"67
2. 23"32
3. 23"31
4. 23"35
5. 23"32

Total. 1'58"97

I learned how to get under 23"38 easily now, but I'm thrilled to learn how to get under 23"29 with the same ease...maybe by blasting more times in the last curve...hmmm.
By the way, you mentioned that in the dirt-patch area is where you get separated from the rest of us. Why...what do you do different, if you don't mind me asking?

Hope to hear from you soon, man...and Thanks Again!

Top Speed"



Top Speed: First of all, You're welcome. Second of all, Let me congradulate you again on this incredible feat. You have now reached the most elite status there is in F-Zero -- breaking the 1'59"00 barrier on MC1.

However, shaving the final tenths of a second off your time may prove to be far more difficult. Yet, it can be done. The way I read your potential best as of now is as follows: First, you should easily be able to shave 15 hundreths of a second off that 1st lap. This brings you down to 1'58"82. Then if you can average 23"29 per lap thereafter, you would have a 1'58"68. This is about your best possible time at your current potential.

In order to go lower, you must improve your potential. Your potential is directly proportional to your best single lap boost time. So, obviously, if you want to go lower, you must improve your single lap boost time. A good goal to set for a single boost lap is 23'25.

Continue to work on the two most difficult things: the last turn (tapping the accelerator more times is not the answer) & your boosting technique -- the #1 most difficult thing to master. However, if you can, your lap times will go lower -- much lower.

Keep up the hard work and I hope to hear you breaking into the 1'58"8x range in the very near future.


Rich Luke
Mute City Master

Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Leo on Feb 22nd, 2003, 01:06am

hey Rich

just went a 1'58"67

( 25"58, 23"29, 23"27, 23"25, 23"28 )

watch out for me buddy

Leo
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Feb 24th, 2003, 12:52am

WOW!!! Now I am starting to get worried. I played the other night for about 20 minutes for the first time in over a month and busted out a 1'58"63. However, your time is a little disconerning. One good first lap and 4 of the same quality as the ones you mentioned above and my time is history. It should not be long now. I fully expected this. I may have to start getting serious again. If everything comes together for me, I could go LOW -- Really LOW -- maybe even a 1'58"4x?

By the way, Leo, your current best time of 1'58"67 would actually make it on my top 10 (at #10). To date, what is your best first lap time and best single boost lap?

Rich Luke
STILL the Mute City Master
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Mar 5th, 2003, 6:18pm

Come on guys. It has been over a month since I issued this Mute City I challenge. I have given you all numerous tips and stradegies and yet no one on this site can go lower than 1'58"60 to challenge the Jap world record.

What is the hold up I honestly did not beleive my time would stand up this long.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on Mar 6th, 2003, 1:29pm

I think that the most people spread out their racing effort, not focusing on one single track.
But I think they're trying and the reason why no one has reached your time, might be because your time is pretty fantastic too...
And I mean, it is the world record you're after... It isn't suppoused to be easy...
By the way, what has happened to you? I expected you to shoot up through ranks like a thunderbolt or something, but you haven't even updated your profile. Atleast, I would like to see your other MC times. They should be something out of the ordinary...
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Mar 7th, 2003, 01:04am

DJ: My other Mute City I Times are as follows:

2) 1'58"61
3) 1'58"63
4) 1'58"63
5) 1'58"64
6) 1'58"65
7) 1'58"66
8) 1'58"66
9) 1'58"67
10) 1'58"68


As you can see, I have really not had a "break out" race where everything goes just right. Usually when my times get bunched up this much, I will have a great race and shatter my record. I have to find some time to start playing again.


Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Mar 7th, 2003, 02:35am

Rich, I believe he meant he wanted to see your full potential developed on (at least) MC2 and MC3, not see your other MC1 times. He was asking you the exact reverse of the question you've been asking . . . why aren't you playing the other tracks to improve your overall ranking?

It seems that you prefer just to play MC1, while the majority of us like to play all of the tracks. There's no right or wrong here of course, we just have different ways of enjoying the game.

Dave
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on Mar 7th, 2003, 03:53am

Yes, I meant what Dave said. Atleast your MC1 lap time should be great.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by on Mar 7th, 2003, 2:47pm


tsc tsc.. wouldnt it be sad if i beat rich's mc1 time? u should be able to have the wr if thats all u play rich.. i bet i would by now
u will most likely only be regarded as a master f-zero player if u can beat my overal ranking, which would mean u are a better overall player..but for now u are lagging way behind. and like dj said.. at least play mc2 and mc3 and show us what are u capable on those tracks

later

Leo
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Mar 7th, 2003, 5:06pm

Leo: I beleive that MC1 shows exactly what type of potential and talent you have. The other courses are fun to play on occassion but are really not needed in determining a player's skill level. A player's skill level is directly proportional to his MC1 time.

Also, Leo, if you do beat my time of 1'58"60 and after all of the tips I gave you, I did not think that it would take you this long, I will start playing once again. And, I will CRUSH any time that you post and can prove!!!!! No one can take me in My OWN MUTE CITY I Challenge. You must be JOKING!!!

The Legend and STILL the Mute City Master
Rich Luke
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Barry on Mar 8th, 2003, 2:19pm

Rich:

You might want to change your "red text sig" a bit.

"Mute City Master" sounds like you can do well on ALL MC tracks. At the moment, "Mute City I Master" might be a bit more appropriate(?).

Just a suggestion.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Mar 8th, 2003, 6:21pm

I could do well on both the other Mute City Tracks and I could to well on all of the tracks. I just chose not to. My MC1 time shows my skill level.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on Mar 9th, 2003, 07:22am

on Mar 7th, 2003, 5:06pm, Rich Luke wrote:
Leo: I beleive that MC1 shows exactly what type of potential and talent you have. The other courses are fun to play on occassion but are really not needed in determining a player's skill level. A player's skill level is directly proportional to his MC1 time.


It's just my humble opinion, but I disagree with you completely. MC1 is way to easy to determine your real potential. If you practice that track long enough, you are bound to get good on it, REAL GOOD. I mean, how hard is it to go tight at top speed all the time. It's almost like saying that the worlds best driver is the Indy 500 champion, even though the guy can turn right... No, I think that the tracks that determine your skills are PT2, FF or maybe DW2. Those three tracks forces you to use more techniques like advanced boost turning and braking. I haven't mastered these techniques (heck, I haven't even mastered the bump start) and therefore I can't produce very good times on those tracks. But at "little skill tracks" like BB, DW1 and MC1 I'm much better (only the lap times though).
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by David Van Moer on Mar 9th, 2003, 09:28am

Kinda agree there Djungle..
The MC1 track doesn't really push your skills to the limit. Does prove you have a lot of patience and tenacity to stick with the same mind-numbing task for hours on end . i usually get bored after a few dozen tries

dvm
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by JKTFZEROX on Mar 10th, 2003, 02:13am

Thats some pretty big bold red words you got there
If I were to put big bold words it'll be

The Legendary F-Zero X God

and nope I ain't good at only 1 track, I am good at all the tracks in the entire game!

how about you play FZX MC1 =)

Lap 1 00'27"716
Lap 2 00'20"324
Lap 3 00'20"569
Totals 01'08"609
okay thats my time now you give me your
3 lap break down =)

well later

,JKTSPEED [GOD at FZX not GOD at FZSNES ]
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Mar 16th, 2003, 10:40pm

It has been 3 weeks, Leo, since you posted your 1'58"67. When are you going lower?
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by on Mar 17th, 2003, 02:16am

my friend.. i have not played snes for a few weeks..i'm back to playing some GBA.. yes, you record will stand for a while longer so u can sleep better now.. i am in no hurry to attempt to break it..

later

Leandro
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by KEJackson on Mar 17th, 2003, 9:16pm

Agreed.
I also am returning to GBA, and I set some new awsome times (in GBA), and I aslo got to talk with Boris van Katwijk. Sadly, just 4 hours after the meeting, my computer crashed.(intrumentational error) Its a good thing the video made it to you Dave, because there was no back up. Phew. Those computers. You treat them wrong, they complain. Treat them with care, and they never seem to thank you.
*sigh* Oh Well. Maybe another time I'll fix the computer the rest of the way. I am borrowing my dads, BTW.
Kort Everett Jackson
Note to GBA players. See some of my reasearch compiled at the FZ:MV tips and strats. You never know what might turn up!
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Webmaster on Mar 17th, 2003, 11:35pm

on Mar 17th, 2003, 9:16pm, Kort Everett Jackson wrote:
Sadly, just 4 hours after the meeting, my computer crashed.(intrumentational error) Its a good thing the video made it to you Dave, because there was no back up. Phew.


Kort, that's the strangest post from you yet. 20 hours before your post, I replied to your e-mail that supposedly had the video attached. The attachment you sent was a "zero-file" zip file, meaning it had no contents. You didn't reply to my response.

Now you go out of your way to state that the video made it to me, there is no back up, and you have no immediate plans to fully restore your computer, or, conveniently enough . . . to play SNES. Maybe I've been watching too much Law & Order lately, but this looks like a set-up designed to extricate you from providing proof . . . "My computer is not available, my video is gone, the emulator itself is gone, and I'm playing GBA now." Honestly, I don't think the video would have convinced anyone anyway considering that you said it was 1'47"55 (SNES DW1, for the record). That time would rank in the lower half of the chart.

Let me get back to basics. We all have a very hard time believing that you can't even provide screenshots. Listen, my 14-year old step-daughter has a $20 pocket digital camera that looks like an over-sized pen. SHE could take screenshots if needed, why can't you?
Dave! I found it!
Post by KEJackson on Mar 18th, 2003, 10:44am

I looked through my mailbox as a last resort to find it, and I found it. Emailed it straight back to you!
Sorry for the confusion, and I would have done it last night, but I was forced to go to bed.
Kort Everett Jackson
BTW: I don't check email often.
Post by KEJackson on Mar 18th, 2003, 11:25am

BTW, Sorry for the last post before I said I found it again.

It usually takes me 2 days (even longer sometimes) to check my email, so I am very sorry for the fact that I assumed you got it. Only this morning did I check my email. I also checked my saved messages folder, and found the file, redownloaded it (attachements are part of the message, and goes with it to the saved messages folder.) and checked it for errors, then resent the file with a quick note. Your right on the skill level, but it at THE VERY LEAST, the video backs up my screenshots.
Kort Everett Jackson
Note: Still writing SNES FAQ for gameFAQs. Going to be very good.....
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on Apr 1st, 2003, 12:16am

Still waiting guys...... It has been over 2 months now since I issued this challenge and the only person who has even come close is Leo. After all of the tips I have given, can't someone go lower than 1'58"60?


Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on Apr 1st, 2003, 11:09pm

Rich,

Your lecturing (I hope I spelled it right) us about MC1, and yes...its true...we're slackers compared to the japanese. But instead of waiting for one of us to "surpass" you (God knows when the heck that will happen), why not just try going for the WR?

As you've seen till now non of us can even come close to your record, so while you at it...why not try to make it lower? Besides...you said its been 2 months since any of us got even close to your record...but in the mean time you weren't able to lower your record either.

As my friend Leo mentioned some time ago, we do practice other tracks as well..and of course the GBA. For instance...for the longest time I've been trying to get into the 1'52"99 zone for silence and I'm still around 1'53"06 as we speak. You say your true skill is shown on the MC1 track, but that's where your wrong. You've been playing that track long enough to know every square inch of it, but have you played the other tracks long enough to really be able to top off the records that have been currently affiliated to them? Try to play some tracks like PT2, Silence, FF...that's where your true skill appears, because your gonna have to keep in mind multiple tracks instead of just one.

And all that aside...just playing MC1 one over and over kinda gets boring, y'know? I like F-Zero for all 15 tracks...not just one, so I wish to become good with all of them.

Top Speed

P.S. I don't know how to end this message, hehe.
P.P.S. I've been away for a long while I know, but thats because school kicked in and I've been playing mostly RTS's like Starcraft and Warcraft III (and a little bit of the snes StarFox, which is still awesome). I'll try and get back into F-Zero during my spring break, so hold on tight cuz I'm not through yet busting records (well...I still have to start for that matter, hehe)

Untill Later!
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by KEJackson on Apr 2nd, 2003, 8:14pm

Aliek,
Nice to see you back!
Hope the record breaking goes well!

Rich,
I think I will have to agree with Aliek. Yes, you do need to improve in other courses, but MC1 also needs lowering, because even though it is a cool record, Leo or DVM will shatter it one day, if it dosen't get upgraded. Take my MC2 lap, when DVM almost broke it, then I went 1/100th faster, then he broke it because I did not race there much anymore. Just 1/100th makes all the difference in keeping a record, or losing it. As for that, DVM can have MC2. Don't think I will be getting it back for a while...
It would be a good idea... but until Leo gets 3/100ths away from that record, I wouldn't worry about it. That record can probably last about a year the way the competition is going. IMO, don't go lowering things more unless the competition is knocking right on your door!
Kort Everett Jackson
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on Apr 23rd, 2003, 5:49pm

Wow...no one posted anything here in a while... I guess its case closed...and I'm to blame for...muhahaha
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on May 22nd, 2003, 11:35pm

With the launch of the new F-Zero on the Game Cube, it is safe to say Snes F-Zero intrest may die down. I feel confident that I can retire as the all time greatest Snes Mute City champion. Thank you to all who participated in my Mute City I challenge in attempts to beat my time. I wish you all better luck on the new system.


Rich Luke
Supreme Mute City Master and Champion
1'58"60
23"22

Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 23rd, 2003, 04:47am

Why would it? The competion that might die down is the 64 competion because GX will be similiar to that game. But those of us that still prefer the SNES game infront of the 64 game will probably still be playing the SNES game.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 23rd, 2003, 04:50am

on May 22nd, 2003, 11:35pm, Rich Luke wrote:
Rich Luke
Supreme Mute City Master and Champion
1'58"60
23"22

I think it's quite amuzing that a person that claims that he's the master of a course is positioned 38th on lap record...
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on May 23rd, 2003, 12:46pm

DJ:
You know as well as I do that a single boost lap is the true test of one's skills. 23"22 is the fastest ever single boost lap. Try to beat it. You WON'T.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on May 23rd, 2003, 5:05pm

on May 23rd, 2003, 12:46pm, Rich Luke wrote:
DJ:
You know as well as I do that a single boost lap is the true test of one's skills. 23"22 is the fastest ever single boost lap. Try to beat it. You WON'T.


Indeed it is skill that which is needed to get a one boost lap record such as the almighty 23"22 on MC I, but skill is not measured upon how good you do in one lap or even in one course. Rich, you admitted it yourself that MC I is practically the only map you play. You may be good, but skill has very little to do with it...it's the repititive practice you get on that same one map. I'm sure that if the 1'58"xx players did some good 2 months practice on MC I they could all manage at least "one" 23"22. You may be good but your not the best. Don't forget about the 1'58"49, remember..its not even the official record...so the WR may even be lower (God only knows how).

Also, I don't know about you guys, but I'm far more impressed with overal skilled players then "the worlds best" of a single course. Sure...your time is impressive, but that doesn't make it impossible. Take a look at Leo...he doesn't have to be the best in MC I... he's still the Site Champion ( Until I start trying...j/k ) because his skill is consistent with all the courses...he gave his best on all the courses, he didn't stick to just one. Its like a kid learning slowly all the languages compared to a kid learning to speak perfect english, which impresses you the most?

Long story short...you wanna be skilled...gotta average your skill in all the courses...don't stick to one...thats been my mistake with Silence...spent so long on it I got worse on MC I and the rest

I may be gone for a while...maybe 3 months because I "may" be going to Italy for vacation. BYE BYE!!!
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on May 24th, 2003, 11:44pm

Top Speed:

You have far under estimated the difficulty of getting a 23"22 single boost lap on MC1. Even if I (the #1 ranked MC1 player) played the game for two straight months, I may not get another 23"22. Two months practice from the top players in the world may produce a 23"24 or 23"23 but a 23"22 .... not a chance. This is a time that would take years to equal. If you think, I am kidding.... I'm not. You try to go below 23"25. Good Luck!

By the way, what did you say your best single boost lap time was? Also, my racing skills do transfer to other courses. If you think I could be the best in the world at Mute City I and not be able to race the other courses, you're fooling yourself. I could break any record I choose. Trust me, no one has the racing skills to match mine. Leo may be close but look at his MC1 time and look at mine. His time would not even rank on my top 10 list.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 25th, 2003, 08:15am

on May 24th, 2003, 11:44pm, Rich Luke wrote:
Also, my racing skills do transfer to other courses. If you think I could be the best in the world at Mute City I and not be able to race the other courses, you're fooling yourself. I could break any record I choose. Trust me, no one has the racing skills to match mine. Leo may be close but look at his MC1 time and look at mine. His time would not even rank on my top 10 list.

ok, I'm guess you weren't think strait when you wrote that. On MC1 you get no training what so ever in breaking. You would never reach top 10 on any course that requires any type of braking, not with your current skills. Actually, I don't think you can reach top 10 on any course besides MC1, perhaps MC3. Maybe eventually, but not within a year or so... And I can promise you, NO ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD (other then yourself) considers you the best F-Zero player in the world. So instead of being just talk, prove to us all that you truly are the champion of F-Zero. I personally just considers you to be a poor soul with a need to get attention. It wouldn't surprise me if somebody else was driving in your "proof" video...

I think that the real reason why you refuse to prove your true skills to us is that you're afraid that it's gonna turn out to be just talk.
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Barry on May 25th, 2003, 10:03am

djungelurban:

*whistles* A tad blunt there.

Rich:

At latest check, you're a Pawn B level pilot.
39th Overall / 25th NTSC.

That's nothing.

Mind if I make a suggestion??

Ok. You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

Yes, you may be ranked 1st on Mute City 1. Cool. For that, I do applaud you.
However..... To truly gain respect as a Top-Notch F-Zero Pilot, I'd suggest you start climbing the charts a bit.

At your current status, you hold only ONE #1 ranking. The remainder of your times(of which a majority are), are in the high 30's, low 40's. Hit the #1 spot Overall AND hold it for 6 months and you can brag as much as you want.

Until then, Chill it a bit, eh?
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on May 25th, 2003, 10:12am

Rich, like djungelurban already mentioned...why don't you prove your point and actually beat the other course times? I'm sorry... but I find it to be just pointless to play F-Zero just for the MC I course. Where's the fun in that. Heh, In my opinion YOU won't make the top ten rank any time soon for any course except the MC I.

To be honest...I think your wrong about the 23"22. I did get 23"24 if you must know...and two hundreths of a second is just a sharp turn away. I'm ending school soon and won't be able to play for a while, but once I come back after summer I'll prove you that I can get a 23"22 within 2 months after my return .

Ahem, Rich I'm starting to wonder how old are you...because you brag a "little" too much. You keep mentioning to be the best at MC I...are you forgetting that your not japanese? And that your record is 1'58"60 and we've heard of people doing 1'58"41, so lets stop the bragging until you can actually prove any point above. By your reasoning...since I have the best one boost lap time for Silence on this site, that would make me the best in the world...well...WRONG. Leandro managed a lower 5 lap time than me...and check this url out: http://www.aya.or.jp/~tko/gif/bmfz9203.gif (thanks Leo for the link).

Phew...I hope I said enough
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 25th, 2003, 10:33am

on May 25th, 2003, 10:03am, Barry J. Herbert II wrote:
djungelurban:

*whistles* A tad blunt there.

Yeah, I know. I'm sorry...
I'm just so tired hearing him brag about his MC1 time and that he's so great and all. I just wanted to try and puncture his big ego...
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by on May 25th, 2003, 12:35pm

humm... yes, i'm still waiting for rich to post ( or prove ) any other course times that are nearly as fast as mine... till then you're still in 39th place of overall fzero skill budy. also i believe i got my 1'58"67 with maybe a couple of weeks playing mc1 straight.. NOT all my life.. and i really dont look foward to spending much more time in such a boring course. btw u told me last time i posted my 1'58"67 that it ranked in your top 10 list.. now it doesnt anymore?? or were u just mad lol
..yea, seems that the japanese have also gone a 23"22 for a 1 boost lap.. so you're not the only one my friend.. and as i can see on the link.. their best time ( set in 1993 ) is 1'58"41..
anyway, after i get done with game boy advanced i may play snes for a bit longer and just go ahead and beat your time so u wont have so much to brag about hehe

take care

Leo
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on May 25th, 2003, 11:48pm

Leo:
I already told you. If you do beat my time, I'll start playing again. So, why bother, you won't be able to hang with me on that track. Trust me.

By the way, your 1'58"67 is impresssive but I am sure that you would not have been able to accomplish that feat without my video and various tips. What was your time before I came along ..... 1'58"96??



DJ:
Seriously, Are you joking? Someone else driving in my "proof" video. Come on, now that is low. Do you really think I would take this much pride in an accomplishment that I did not personally acheive?
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Rich Luke on May 26th, 2003, 12:11am

Top Speed:

Great Link, Are You Kidding? You actually want me to believe these times? The "claimed" Death Wind II time is over two seconds faster than Leo's. In case you forgot, we don't know if these times are accurate or were ever verified. If, you think that some out-of-date japenese website with a few numbers posted by someone is proof of a time, you're out of your mind. So, I will not accept 1'58"41 as the record.

Until someone shows me proof (a video) of a time below 1'58"60, I will consider my time as the:

Official Documented World Record: MC1 1'58"60
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Top Speed on May 26th, 2003, 02:10am

on May 25th, 2003, 11:48pm, Rich Luke wrote:
Seriously, Are you joking? Someone else driving in my "proof" video. Come on, now that is low. Do you really think I would take this much pride in an accomplishment that I did not personally acheive?


I actually am starting to believe that maybe be a possibility. No offense Rich but your acting like a 10 year old child. You think your so great because you have just one good record. Funny...I don't see Leo or DVM brag for there times, must be cuz they are mature people .

Rich I honestly don't care if you believe that link or not. I just think that no one would go through the trouble of doing a nicely simmetric grid to just put fake times on it.

Something funny struck me...Rich, your braggin about a record that sets you off as the best of Mute City by a good 6 or 7 hundreths of a second. Your really gonna waste your breath on .007 seconds
I'm positive that if you tried your best on all the courses, you would come as close as 10 seconds away from the fifth ranked, and no further. You know why? Because you sticked with only one track. Sure MC I may improve your MC II and MC III time, but I'd honestly would like to see you on Silence or Sand Ocean or even better, the almighty Port Town II, where the driving skills are different. I got ranked fourth within 2 months of joining, approx. You have the advantage of having already a number one time ranked, but I'd honestly like to see how long it would take you to push me down the chart. Until then, you don't have much to brag about.

Oh by the way, If I had to either trust your time or the times on the link I provided earlier...I'd trust those more, hehe .

One last thing...nobody likes a bragging champion, that's why in movies they always fall. (Come to think of it...Hitler and Mussolini were braggers too...hmmm )
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 26th, 2003, 04:24am

on May 25th, 2003, 11:48pm, Rich Luke wrote:
DJ:
Seriously, Are you joking? Someone else driving in my "proof" video. Come on, now that is low. Do you really think I would take this much pride in an accomplishment that I did not personally acheive?

OK, to be honest, I DO believe that it's your driving there... BUT, what I said was that I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. And yes, I actually do think that you would take this much pride for something that you hadn't done. There are people like that and you certainly fit the profile...
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by djungelurban on May 26th, 2003, 04:34am

on May 26th, 2003, 02:10am, Top Speed wrote:
One last thing...nobody likes a bragging champion, that's why in movies they always fall. (Come to think of it...Hitler and Mussolini were braggers too...hmmm )

Yeah, you never hear Leandro and David brag about being great and supreme. They don't need to 'cause everyone knows that they're the best. OK, Kort likes to brag, but atleast he stays to the facts... Unlike some people. A fake quote:
"Oh, I'm the best F-Zero player EVER. I know I'm ranked 55th on Big Blue and Sand Ocean but I'm still the best. I mean, I've got the best time on Mute City I and it's a huge marginal to 2nd place, 0.07 seconds... That just gotta make me number 1 in the world. Doh..."
Re: Mute City I Challenge
Post by Barry on May 26th, 2003, 09:45am

on May 25th, 2003, 11:48pm, Rich Luke wrote:
Leo:
I already told you. If you do beat my time, I'll start playing again. So, why bother, you won't be able to hang with me on that track. Trust me.


*sigh* I was hoping that I wouldn't have to do this, Rich......

*Stands up straight, Crosses his arms and narrows his eyes.*


Ok. You think you're so great because of one #1 ranked time. You can talk the talk. Cool.

Let's see you walk the walk then. Put your controller where your mouth is and start belting out some Top Notch times.

Until you hit the Top 3 Overall, bragging is, In my opinion, rude and unsportsmanlike conduct. Personally, Rich, I've about had it up to my eyebrows with this.

I'm quite certain that others here may agree with me.

As of now, this thread is hereby locked.

We strive for a friendly competitive atmosphere here and this (again IMO) does NOT fit into that catagory.

Have a Nice Day.

*End moderator pose*