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POLL: should spaceflying for 9300kph speedrecords be allowed in fzc? (Votes: 14)
Yes
5 (35%)
No
8 (57%)
No Speedrankings
1 (7%)

Spaceflying Poll
Post by PDM on Aug 31st, 2003, 10:56pm

i think this is really necessary because i dont want the rankings be destroyed by those super tied or even lucky speedrecords. space diving is too easy to be counted for anything. if we dont want to forbid this, the speedrankings would be useless. anybody ranked below 100th could reach those speeds in the future, which are possible on nearly every track, perhaps really on all of them. that makes no sense. its a technique which requires no skill at all. dakou and other shortcuts by flying are compltely diffrent, they require lots of skill, but spacediving is just stupid. the rekord will be saved until you delete all the records of a track, which is also even more stupid.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by Webmaster on Aug 31st, 2003, 11:34pm

How can we reasonably enforce such a rule? If the non-flying record for a track is 2600, couldn't a player fly just high enough to get 2605 or 2610 and then say he didn't fly? The player would still be able to show a screenshot of his record speed.

I agree that the diving records are stupid ... it's like playing a separate mini-game to set records. It's a "wart" on the face of the game, to be sure. But that's how the game is designed. I like the game ... warts and all.

These ideas to make rules that are intended to increase the competitive enjoyment for the truly serious GX players are quite noble, but tend to swim against the current of practicality.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by ChrisRayola on Sep 1st, 2003, 12:18am

Damn PDM, are you starting to rain on everyone's parade? Honestly, this poll was started because of me (I have a big feeling about this). So what if I get a record of 3700+ by diving. Its a speed record non-the-less. I did achieve that speed, did I not? I don't see what the big deal is. Go figure out what I did different to get from 3200+ to 3700+, and when you do, I dont' think you'll be complaining about the diving speed records any more.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by Ruben Moonen on Sep 1st, 2003, 01:44am

i voted for no no speed rankings.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by PDM on Sep 1st, 2003, 02:01am

on Sep 1st, 2003, 12:18am, ChrisRayola wrote:
Damn PDM, are you starting to rain on everyone's parade? Honestly, this poll was started because of me (I have a big feeling about this). So what if I get a record of 3700+ by diving. Its a speed record non-the-less. I did achieve that speed, did I not? I don't see what the big deal is. Go figure out what I did different to get from 3200+ to 3700+, and when you do, I dont' think you'll be complaining about the diving speed records any more.
no that has nothing to do with the PTA speed, i believe you that you got it with non flying (because you told me your strat), i also might try it again. another person has already mentioned that we should start a poll about this, so i just did it now. i hope you are not angry or something like that now. i always respected you as one of the worlds best players.

@dave
yuo are right thats very stupid if someone breaks the record with flying and says that he didnt do it. hm, perhaps i must change my mind to no speedrankings if that thing has so many problems in gx.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by ChrisRayola on Sep 1st, 2003, 02:08am

By "Spaceflying", do you mean using dakou to drive into the air then speed back down or something along those lines? If so, then I misunderstood what you meant. I though you were saying that you can't count top speed that occured while in the air and not on the track. Sorry for the misunderstanding, if there was one...

BTW, I have the MCSG lap record now
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by PDM on Sep 1st, 2003, 03:44am

using the garnet dragon (or perhaps other cars) to circle upwards and than diving back down is what i mean.

i dont mean anything else which is normal diving or also shortcuts with flying. and normal speedrecords by normal and any other kind of normal or special diving should count. i dont know why not?
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by David Van Moer on Sep 1st, 2003, 05:38am

Speed rankings on FZX where somewhat usefull cos it actually took quite a bit of skill and you had to learn diferent strats for each track. Not much the case on this game..

BTW, I'd say yes to flying. No more or less game-destroying than snaking to me anyway..
If you allow one bug, then allow them all is what I say.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by PDM on Sep 1st, 2003, 06:16am

i just want to point out that i am open for every possible solution if we keep it in its still ok. i want to know what the others think about it and if its definetely allowed or not. because you can get the speedrecord away from the speedrankings of the course, but the stupid thing is that the record will remain forever (until you erase all course records) in the line above the rankings with the other two records for the course. so dont want to have a useless speedrecord everywhere which will be forbidden, just another reason besides its stupidity, why i dont use it.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by Supreme on Sep 1st, 2003, 12:20pm

There is another speed strat to get 3000+ km/h. Crash your vehicle with highspeed-boost against a wall right before you finish your race and you will bounce from wall to wall and get incredible speed. You are dead but you passed the finish line . There are many methods to get good maxspeeds, but flying is the best of all. Of course. Use it or not!
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by Webmaster on Sep 1st, 2003, 1:00pm

on Sep 1st, 2003, 05:38am, David Van Moer wrote:
BTW, I'd say yes to flying. No more or less game-destroying than snaking to me anyway..
If you allow one bug, then allow them all is what I say.

That's exactly where I stand on this subject, and no one's pushed me off yet.

But I'm ALWAYS open to a compelling argument against my current position, so keep trying.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by PDM on Sep 1st, 2003, 2:21pm

hard to say anything good about it. and i already said enough against it. i will wait with this until you made a final decision. and i will just keep playing like before.
Re: Spaceflying Poll
Post by KEJackson on Sep 1st, 2003, 9:12pm

I agree with Dave. I am a good debater myself, and I would not mind someone trying to come up with a suitable arguement. I vote yes to spaceflying.
Kort Everett Jackson